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PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless The Register lifts the lid on the creation of the smartphone platform that was Hildon (later to become Series 90) that Nokia had developed in the early 00's by a team originally at Psion.
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RE: The S60 faction killed Nokia
by zima on Wed 23rd Nov 2011 22:45 UTC in reply to "The S60 faction killed Nokia"
zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

Perhaps, but it's probably never quite that straightforward. In this case - not only it's not clear if we can call the S90 (even relatively) modern, the S90 can be hardly called "clean" (glance over some reviews of one shipping S90 handset, that I mention in a nearby post)...

...also relatively to S60, which seemed not so much archaic as "too soon" - it did its thing in an era of quite limited hardware (while S90 seemingly ignored that factor, and with very poor results judging from conclusions of its reviews), when mostly following & expanding the UI paradigm of S40* (which is not Symbian) gave decent results for a time - but also baggage, when progress of handsets & expectations outgrew that initial UI model. Add to that the natural inertia of something (still) fairly popular.

*early S40 (or late S30, not too different at the time) were the handsets tons of people thought about when saying "I prefer Nokia because they are easy, pleasant to use"


And now Elop didn't strictly kill off S60 (which anyway, for better or worse, is apparently on the best-selling touchscreen smartphone around, 5230 at 150 million), he killed "Symbian" (by then Anne IIRC; and now some name starting with B, I think) - which in turn seems ...still not quite on par with some benchmark platforms of today, but mostly back on its feet & improving.
It's not like its "replacement" really goes anywhere, so far.

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vaette Member since:
2008-08-09

A lot of food for thought in that, but lets just also note that the iPhone is much closer to the introduction of S90 phones in history than it is to the present day (1107 days from S90 announcement to iPhone announcement, which was 1780 days ago today).

That doesn't have to mean all that much, but it was certainly not all that early, or "too soon", to start down the path towards a more modern smartphone.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

The time to the present day is entirely unrelated to which past moment was more optimal and/or how any given moment impacted sensible, at the time, choices (or, really, guessing them few years earlier, in a quite volatile field)


There are points when things become "good enough" - and if you are near one of them, then 3 years make a huge difference (plus, Moore's "law" and such). But NVM time spans, look at the basic hardware of the two, they're in different class (while, curiously, 7710 has to drive more pixels). Also: benefits from tech & process refinements, optimisations throughout (and, heck, iPhone wasn't even strictly a smartphone for its first year; they focused on core package, probably more pliable for nice integration)

I used E50 for a time, an S60 handset with internal hw that seems not too far from 7710 - only, with somewhat faster CPU, and of course driving non-touchsreen 240x320. It was fairly decent (and for a few years already, on its path; essentially only just hitting "outgrew" point)

Now, as I pointed out, S90 was also simply just not as great as some would suggest. UIQ was probably much better (plus notably earlier) ...alas, I seem to remember it having some problems with performance (certainly my buddy grumbled about it)

Edited 2011-11-24 14:27 UTC

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