Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 27th Nov 2011 22:07 UTC, submitted by Nooone
Linux So, it's no secret that the Linux desktop - at least, the GNOME-side of things - is a bit in a state of disarray. Unity hasn't exactly gone down well with a lot of people, and GNOME 3, too, hasn't been met with universal praise. So, what to do? Linux Mint, currently one of the most popular Linux distributions out there, thinks they are on to the solution with their latest release, Linux Mint 12.
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RE[3]: Lessons learned
by Lennie on Mon 28th Nov 2011 14:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Lessons learned"
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

I mean GNOME3 almost got it right will fallback, a lot actually works.

It just needs more polishing so people who are used to GNOME2 actually want to use it.

Then people can try out GNOME3 and the community can make clear what they like and don't like so it can be explained or changed, maybe an option added in the next update/upgrade.

KDE4, I think, didn't even have the fallback.

You have to remember with GNOME3/KDE4 you are doing 2 big changes: Interface and hardware supported.

Edited 2011-11-28 14:10 UTC

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RE[4]: Lessons learned
by k4ever on Mon 28th Nov 2011 15:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Lessons learned"
k4ever Member since:
2007-03-20

I'm a big time KDE fan. I never liked the "treat your users like idiots" mantra that GNOME planners seemed to have. However, I feel the pain that GNOME users are going through right now. When KDE 4.0 came out it was buggy as hell. I stuck with KDE 3.x as long as I could and then switched to GNOME once KDE 3.x started to lose support. It wasn't until KDE 4.3 that I went back. KDE 4.6 is awesome and just as stable as KDE 3.x was. GNOME 3.x is new and going through it's growing pains right now. GNOME users need to keep hammering the developers to get something palatable to them. I think Mint 12's approach is great. Hopefully some of their ideas will be adopted by the GNOME team and developed further.

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RE[5]: Lessons learned
by Lennie on Mon 28th Nov 2011 15:55 in reply to "RE[4]: Lessons learned"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

What I like about GNOME3 it is pretty easy to add some scripting as extensions to manipulate the bahaviour of the GNOME shell.

Most of the changes, if not all, that Mint did should be in this repository:
https://github.com/linuxmint/MGSE

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RE[5]: Lessons learned
by Delgarde on Mon 28th Nov 2011 20:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Lessons learned"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

Still, there are certainly some striking differences between the KDE 4.0 and Gnome 3.0 releases. For KDE, I remember the bugs being mostly related to stability, and stuff that just plain didn't work.

For Gnome, I've found the stability is actually pretty solid, barring a couple of Shell crashes very early on - the problems have mostly been usability issues, most of which have been fixed to my satisfaction with a couple of extensions (alt-tab behaviour, showing date in top bar).

Both, of course, also had complaints about missing functionality, but that's only to be expected in a .0 release. There's always going to be some stuff that just wasn't ready in time, and wasn't considered important enough to block the release.

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RE[5]: Lessons learned
by reez on Wed 30th Nov 2011 12:55 in reply to "RE[4]: Lessons learned"
reez Member since:
2006-06-28

KDE 4.6 is awesome and just as stable as KDE 3.x was.


Have you tried mode? Just wondering whether I am the only one who has problems with instability there (Arch Linux). I am not too much into KDE, so if I've overlooked a warning sign or something I am sorry. It looks fantastic, but it seems to at least have a lot of rough edges.

Something else I constantly experience is Akonadi making troubles. I know you can turn it off, but wouldn't it be better to use something like BDB (or any of its variants, like Kyoto/Tokyo-Cabinet) to implement this? Reminds me of Amarok where I thought the same. A server appears to be a waste of resources, while still being slower than the mentioned alternative.

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