Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Dec 2011 18:41 UTC
Windows Windows 8 will have both the new Metro-style applications and user interface and the traditional Windows 7 desktop for legacy applications, which kind of runs like an application. Since legacy applications have to be recompiled to run on ARM anyway, it's always been a bit unclear if the ARM version of Windows 8 would include the legacy desktop at all - even Microsoft itself confirmed it wasn't sure yet. Microsoft bloggers Mary-Jo Foley and Paul Thurrot have fresh rumours that Microsoft has now made the decision to remove the legacy desktop from the ARM version.
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the new vista
by andih on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 02:26 UTC
andih
Member since:
2010-03-27

ahh they are already planning on releasing win8 as the new "vista".. That will fail, but then win9 is released short time after fixing all problems, and they basically sell 2x licenses to everybody.. (instead of fixing the win8)

This is a great way of selling junk to gullible people!
And probably even 2x licenses for each jerk lol

People must be really dumb. Funny that even so called "techies" are fooled this way.

My home is without gates or windows. its also iClean, and I'm loving it,, my wife too. ;) Linux and freeBSD only.

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RE: the new vista
by Drumhellar on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 03:05 in reply to "the new vista"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Except Vista was only junk initially, and only because hardware manufactures used the limited driver availability to try to force people to buy new hardware, rather than update drivers for previous generations of hardware.

Well, that, and some developers were still designing software by making assumptions that they should have stopped making 10 years prior (such as having write access to the program directory)

Vista sucked because Microsoft was unable to get hardware and software companies to play along initially, not because of bad software design.

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RE[2]: the new vista
by Alfman on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 05:02 in reply to "RE: the new vista"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Drumhellar,

"Except Vista was only junk initially, and only because hardware manufactures used the limited driver availability to try to force people to buy new hardware, rather than update drivers for previous generations of hardware."

Actually, you may not be aware of this, but microsoft deserves most of the blame for driver incompatibilities in vista. Technically, all of the XP drivers would still work under vista if microsoft hadn't made a policy change to reject unsigned/self signed drivers in the window kernel. I experienced this first hand with my own windows file system drivers.


In XP years, if you recall, even large manufacturers released two versions of their drivers, the windows certified ones, and the latest official (yet uncertified by microsoft) drivers. For end users, it always made sense to install the latest drivers, but MS would remove that option in Vista.

Third parties did provide end users with a means to bypass microsoft vista driver restrictions. These tools were genuinely useful as they allowed end users to install xp drivers for older hardware on vista, but microsoft didn't like users overriding their policy, and they revoked the tool's certificates.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/10/ati_driver_snafu/

"...Atsiv, a tool designed by Australian developer Linchpin Labs, as part of a research project into driver signing. Microsoft responded to the creation of Atsiv by revoking its certificate and classifying the utility as malware, much to Linchpin Labs' chagrin. Atsiv had evolved into a project that allowed users of legacy hardware to use their kit on Vista without signed drivers."


Whatever MS's reasons to reject user's control over their own systems, the net effect was quite devastating for independent/OSS developers like me who had been writing our own windows kernel drivers. Needless to say, I'm no longer inclined to waste my time improving windows only to be kicked out by microsoft.

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