Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Dec 2011 22:43 UTC
Legal "A bill recently introduced in Congress would greatly expand the exemption to the Fair Labor Standards Act for IT employees, ending overtime benefits for many more types of workers, including network, database and security specialists." The Democrat senator of North-Carolina has introduced an even worse version of the bill, which specifically exempts database and network specialists and security professionals from overtime benefits. Say, isn't some company building a huge data centre in North-Carolina? I'm sure it's all a coincidence.
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don't complain
by unclefester on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 06:57 UTC
unclefester
Member since:
2007-01-13

In Australia most professionals in the private sector are on salaries not hourly rates. You are typically expected to perform 10-20 hours unpaid overtime each week. In corporate law 70-80hr working weeks are the norm. You rarely get any time off for working overtime.

Any professional unwilling to work unpaid overtime would would quickly find themselves unemployable.

Edited 2011-12-03 07:01 UTC

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RE: don't complain
by Kivada on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 07:07 in reply to "don't complain"
Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

80 hours a week? What's the suicide rate for those pulling those hours? Because at that point you are literally signing your life away to the company and thus have no time to enjoy what pay you are getting.

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RE[2]: don't complain
by re_re on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 07:54 in reply to "RE: don't complain"
re_re Member since:
2005-07-06

I post those hours (not quite 80, but 60 on average and 80 on occasion) the bottom line is..... most IT guys that pull these kind of hours are not hourly anyway, they are salary........... and when you agree to a salary, you agree to slavery ....... but you still agreed to it.

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RE: don't complain
by Soulbender on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 07:57 in reply to "don't complain"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

In corporate law 70-80hr working weeks are the norm.


80 hours? Are you shitting us? What are you, a feudal society?
Note, the Australians I have worked with all seemed to leave at 5pm sharp and head off to the pub. All professionals.

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RE[2]: don't complain
by unclefester on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 10:10 in reply to "RE: don't complain"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Australian corporate law firms are run as partnerships. The partners are responsible for generating their own incomes and paying their own staff. Income is based purely on the time worked ("billable hours"). To maximise income staff have to work as many hours as possible.

If you don't like the long hours you work for the government and take a huge pay cut.

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RE[2]: don't complain
by earksiinni on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 21:11 in reply to "RE: don't complain"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

"In corporate law 70-80hr working weeks are the norm.


80 hours? Are you shitting us? What are you, a feudal society?
"

I lol'd. I think, though, that this is pretty much the norm at all big law firms (partnerships), probably Europe, too. The money is insane. Average Columbia law school grad makes ~$190k/yr. in the private sector as a starting salary. Considering that you can finish as early as 25 (assuming you do four years undergraduate + three years law school)...

Welcome to America =)

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RE: don't complain
by foregam on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 08:53 in reply to "don't complain"
foregam Member since:
2010-11-17

Would you provide some links please? It's somewhat difficult to imagine that happening in Europe under current regulations:
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=706&langId=en&intPageId=2...

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RE[2]: don't complain
by rhy7s on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 09:59 in reply to "RE: don't complain"
rhy7s Member since:
2008-08-04

Here's a comment on overtime in Australia: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/slaves-to-the-ove...

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RE[2]: don't complain
by unclefester on Sat 3rd Dec 2011 10:39 in reply to "RE: don't complain"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

In Australia you typically graduate from university with a professional undergraduate qualification at 20-22 years old (except for medicine which is offered as a postgraduate degree). You must pay for your degree once you start working. Virtually all university students also work 15-30 hours/week while studying.

Australians work long hours and don't get their (very modest) pension until age 65 unless they have a serious physical or mental illness that prevents them from working.

That is why Australia is thriving and Europe is bankrupt.

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