Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 6th Dec 2011 23:05 UTC
Legal I guess this is something many Americans hope would happen in the United States: the Dutch competition watchdog has raided offices of T-Mobile, Vodafone and KPN, the three Dutch carriers. The three carriers are accused of illegal price fixing, something they've already been found guilty of about ten years ago.
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We don't like the price
by Berend de Boer on Wed 7th Dec 2011 19:49 UTC
Berend de Boer
Member since:
2005-10-19

So let government just set the price they can ask. That has worked so well in the past 2,000 years.

The other obvious answer would be: why not try capitalism? Yes, you read that right. Why does a country the size of The Netherlands have only 3 carriers? I bet you'll find that the government regulates and forbids competitors from entering the market.

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RE: We don't like the price
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 7th Dec 2011 20:53 in reply to "We don't like the price"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

The other obvious answer would be: why not try capitalism?


Because that leads to... Price fixing?

Seriously dude, aren't you out of your college phase by now? This is getting silly.

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RE[2]: We don't like the price
by bhtooefr on Wed 7th Dec 2011 22:32 in reply to "RE: We don't like the price"
bhtooefr Member since:
2009-02-19

I suspect that he's trying to call for not having any restrictions on spectrum.

Which doesn't work, because that means whoever can afford the biggest transmitter wins, and barriers to entry are even higher.

And, infrastructure itself is expensive to start out with.

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Berend de Boer Member since:
2005-10-19

"The other obvious answer would be: why not try capitalism?


Because that leads to... Price fixing?
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The only entity big enough to fix prices is the government.

But you haven't answered my question: why are there only three carriers? I think a small island as Cyprus? A country like Israel has almost ten. Kenya has 4. South Africa 7.

As I said, I'll bet you find that competition is heavily restricted.

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RE: We don't like the price
by HarmHilvers on Fri 9th Dec 2011 22:27 in reply to "We don't like the price"
HarmHilvers Member since:
2010-12-29

Your name looks Dutch, so you should have known that a few years ago we started with more than three operators: on top of the three already mentioned we had Telfort and Ben. The former was acquired by KPN and the latter by T-Mobile. (Even now I still have an old SIM of Ben in my T-Mobile phone.) By the way, we have about sixty virtual operators in the Netherlands (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operator in Dutch).

A few days ago, I read an interesting proposal (http://arnoudw.tweakblogs.net/blog/7370/naaien-kpn-voda-en-t-mobile... in Dutch) for some big changes to the way mobile networks are managed and ruled: the government should buy the network and become the network operator, so that all other providers would become virtual operators. This would be in essence the same as the energy market: there is a semi-government organization that runs the energy network, and all energy corporations have the right to use that network. Interesting proposal.

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