Linked by David Adams on Sun 11th Dec 2011 01:37 UTC, submitted by rhyder
Linux It's starting to look like the end of an era for Ubuntu users as Canonical mull the creation of an ISO that won't fit onto a CDR. The question is, does it matter? Canonical owes at least part of its success with Ubuntu Linux to the unique way that it has been distributed. From the start it has been available as a downloadable ISO image and a free CD, posted at no cost to the user. This was great news for people who wanted to install Linux but did not have the luxury of a decent Internet connection. In a sense, installing via a CDR image has always been like a kind of cache, in that you're moving part of the content that you need onto permanent storage rather than pulling it through the network connection
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RE: Stick with CDR limitations ...
by Kivada on Sun 11th Dec 2011 18:20 UTC in reply to "Stick with CDR limitations ..."
Kivada
Member since:
2010-07-07

The decision has already been made by the MESA driver devs to drop pretty much all legacy GPU support for anything from before the era of DVD player drives being standard equipment on bargain basement machines, anything past 7.11 is losing support for at least:

i810: Early Intel 8xx series IGPs
Mach64: ATI Mach GPUs
r128: ATI Rage 128 GPUs like the Rage Fury, XPERT 99, and XPERT 128
MGA: Matrox GPUs
Savage: S3 Savage GPUs
SiS: Crusty SiS GPUs
Tdfx: 3dfx Voodoo graphics cards
Unichrome: VIA IGPs

Yes, there'd be some overlap here with machines with DVD players that had Pentium4's with the i8 series IGPs but pretty much everything else was older then that.

As for obtaining the discs, tell Canonical to restart ShipIt http://www.ubuntu.com/shipit or at least link up to all the shops where you can order the discs like the Debian project does http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ take a look, you can get the full 6 DVD version of Debian 6.0.3 for $10 US mailed to you.

So no, I say bring the .iso size up to 4Gb, merge the subversions into the one disc that can either be burned onto a 4.4Gb DVD or loaded off a 4Gb USB flash.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

That's not an issue at all, MESA just does 3D you know... and NVM 3D being slow on those GFX chips - too slow for desktop compositing and such (yes, I did try, experienced it on some) - it was also unmaintained for a long time and very buggy even in such basic stuff like ...desktop compositing (likewise)

Similar with "beyond overlay / xvideo" acceleration (it was often more trouble than it's worth; most of those cards didn't support any serious levels of video decoding in the first place). Plus, anything in standard definition will be nice with software decoder on any reasonable CPU, P2 & up (PII 266 - dual, but that doesn't matter too much with video playback - software decoders greatly improved over the last decade); HD anything would be too slow anyway.

2D works fine, Xubuntu or Lubuntu (recommended anyway, with machines which would have one of those cards) works.

If some (say, i8xx) have driver maintainance problems beyond MESA, that's a separate problem of theirs.

(also, there are probably much less of those machines than you think... for one, those are the times of "really bad caps" & something a decade old; the two machines with Matrox G400 and Voodoo3, that I keep around for some reason, are zombies / Frankensteins / display a "ship of Theseus" problem - they're scavenged from few PCs and it's hard to tell their age really)

Edited 2011-12-18 23:44 UTC

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