Linked by David Adams on Tue 13th Dec 2011 03:12 UTC
Editorial I was reading today about how Linux Mint developers altered the Banshee music player source code to redirect affiliate revenue from Amazon music orders to them instead of Banshee. They've reportedly made less than $4, which has caused a kerfluffle among those paying attention to that corner of the world. But it raises a larger point that has been swirling around for a couple of decades: an OS vendor has a lot of power to influence, and even monetize their user base. Where should they draw the line?
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RE: Drawing the line
by reez on Tue 13th Dec 2011 18:22 UTC in reply to "Drawing the line"
reez
Member since:
2006-06-28

For example, we may say that censorship is a bad thing, but we really don't want people uploading child porn and such, so obviously some amount of censorship is in order. Question is, where do you draw the line?

I disagree. Actually I don't give a f--k[1], but about some sick guy watching child porn as long as he leaves alone any kids. Data does not hurt children, rapists do.

I am always worried about people saying they want to censor the internet to protect kids instead of taking measure that prevent people in various from being alone with kids. That would prevent child pornography in first place and you don't have to censor material that doesn't exist.

Instead what I see is less money in educational institutions, less money for police, no psychological institutions to probably heal pedophiles (or people with psychological problems/trauma that are likely to become pedophile), etc. Child abuse should not happen and not just become invisible.

One doesn't undo things by hiding them. It doesn't work with pedophiles or any other kind of abuse, racism, terrorism or anything else. Bring stuff to the surface and solve them!


Maybe it's similar with the topic. As long as the Mint people don't hide these changes and everything happens transparently everyone can decide on his own whether he is fine with it.

I am a bit skeptical about integrating these things in first place. On the other hand everyone needs some money to live. I am just not sure how a bigger project shares it. There can be a lot of ways to contribute and another question is whether money is a good motivator in first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

[1] Well, maybe that's not completely true. I think it would feel better if this wouldn't happen, but I explain that anyway.

Edited 2011-12-13 18:24 UTC

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06


Actually I don't give a f--k[1], but about some sick guy watching child porn as long as he leaves alone any kids


Where do you think the content came from in the first place? Some sick guy (or girl) watching child abuse has the pictures or video to watch because some child was abused.

I would personally care very much if I knew such a person because they are supporting the original abuse by coveting the products of that abuse and are premoting further abuses by providing a market for it. If it is a mental illness that motivates them then they are also premoting the condisitons to abuse a child themselves.

Indirect abuse (watching) does not exist in a vaccume all on it's own with no direct abuse (doing) to support it.

If what you mean is simulated content like porn actors of age pretending to be underage or freaky hentai then that does say quite a bit about the audience buying the content and could still fuel abusive compulsions. (though, if one has to find any sort of silver ligning, at least it wasn't produced through abuse though it may lead to abuse.)

Granted, the this is really not the place for discussion of such a vile topic and marching it out as an example for a discussion on cencership seems like sensationalization if not blatantly accessive.

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RE[2]: Drawing the line
by WorknMan on Tue 13th Dec 2011 19:18 in reply to "RE: Drawing the line"
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2005-11-13

I am always worried about people saying they want to censor the internet to protect kids instead of taking measure that prevent people in various from being alone with kids.


What, like their parents? You DO realize that the parents are the ones pimping these kids out in a lot of cases, right?

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RE[2]: Drawing the line
by ameasures on Wed 14th Dec 2011 21:11 in reply to "RE: Drawing the line"
ameasures Member since:
2006-01-09

Actually I don't give a f--k[1], but about some sick guy watching child porn as long as he leaves alone any kids. Data does not hurt children, rapists do.


Whilst data does not hurt kids; the in depth studies into offender behaviour indicate that for most offenders there is a progression which starts with mild child porn and progresses to the more extreme material. Having desensitized their own thinking: there is only a small step to start actually interfering with real children. In their mindset, they wouldn't even think it was harming the child. Having reached the stage of believing it is a reasonable thing to do; it becomes a question of opportunity.

The resources put into tracking online child porn in a desparate attempt to address this dilemma. The imperative to avoid censorship must, in my view, be tempered a little with the need to protect the vulnerable.


Instead what I see is less money in educational institutions, less money for police, no psychological institutions to probably heal pedophiles (or people with psychological problems/trauma that are likely to become pedophile), etc. Child abuse should not happen and not just become invisible.

One doesn't undo things by hiding them. It doesn't work with pedophiles or any other kind of abuse, racism, terrorism or anything else. Bring stuff to the surface and solve them!


Here, I agree. With child porn; the abusers are sometimes grownups who were abused as children and have never come forward for help or justice. Just maybe tracking the data will allow some of these to get the much needed support, much earlier and thus wreak far less havoc into young lives.

My suspicion is that real money has be invested in real research about what actually works on the ground; because I don't think it is yet understood.

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