Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Dec 2011 11:27 UTC
Legal I'm guessing Apple is getting desperate, since its software patent lawsuits aren't doing particularly well. Moving on from software and design patents, the company is now suing Samsung over... Patents for mobile phone and tablet cases (more at The Verge). I think Apple has more offensive lawsuits than products now, so technically, "patent maker" is more accurate than "gadget maker" or "device maker". Fun times.
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two sides of the coin
by riha on Tue 20th Dec 2011 15:26 UTC
riha
Member since:
2006-01-24

How can it be that people forgets there are two sides of the coin here?
Both samsung and Apple throws law suits against each others, so both are in the shit, not only apple.

I mean, if Samsung would not have anything to worry about, why throw other law suits back?

This reminds me of all other big companies fighting each others, it is no news now only because apple does it as well.


Nokia, apple, microsoft, novell, google, samsung, oracle and others are in the end the same shit, it´s all about making money.

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RE: two sides of the coin
by Earl C Pottinger on Tue 20th Dec 2011 16:00 in reply to "two sides of the coin"
Earl C Pottinger Member since:
2008-07-12

I think part of the point that in the past Apple always claimed to have the best tech, and even anti-Apple people like me have to admit that they had the most polished software. I hate how their software limits my choices but know that if I hand an Apple Tablet to my Mom that she would not mess it up the way she does her Win7 machine.

But now instead of winning market share with the best hardware, or best polished software, or the best marketing campaign --- they use lawyers instead.

And once the lawyers get in they will suck up the money that would had gone into R&D to produce better products.

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RE[2]: two sides of the coin
by zima on Tue 27th Dec 2011 23:09 in reply to "RE: two sides of the coin"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

in the past Apple always claimed to have the best tech, and even anti-Apple people like me have to admit that they had the most polished software

"Past" is a long stretch of time - I take it you forgot the dreadful OS7, 8, 9 days? (also two or three OSX releases; or iTunes, at least the Windows version, one that supposedly most of its users run) Apple had, for better part of a decade, products which were both substandard and more expensive ...they deserved to fold during the 2nd half of the 90s; very few companies get such 2nd chances (come on, it was insane, people were getting OS8 to "help Apple" / the pirate groups were even leaving it alone http://www.forbes.com/1997/08/08/column.html )
BTW, curiously, I was never on an Apple presentation of FCP on which it wouldn't crash at least once.

And yeah, "always claimed to have the best tech" ...like with PowerPC "supercomputer on a chip" G4 and hand-picked edge case Photoshop benchmarks.

Outside of PR drama directed at the masses, the messiah didn't quite claim the same thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LEXae1j6EY&feature=player_detailpag...
Apple had its head in the sand for the last many years [...] missed out [...] attitude of arrogance [...] the rest of the world passed us by [...] we need to bring the Mac up into the modern world [...] because we weren't first, because we didn't set the standards [...] this whole notion of being so proprietary in every facet what we do has really hurt us [...] reinvent the wheel our own way; and yeah it might be 10% better but usually it ended up being about 50% worse


Edited 2011-12-27 23:17 UTC

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RE: two sides of the coin
by ilovebeer on Tue 20th Dec 2011 16:39 in reply to "two sides of the coin"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

How can it be that people forgets there are two sides of the coin here?
Both samsung and Apple throws law suits against each others, so both are in the shit, not only apple.

Quite simple. That would require people pull their heads out of the ground and admit that all the negative comments they've made about company X and be applied to the companies they seem to love so much too.

It amazes me why people choose to be so emotionally invested in what a company does. It reminds me of the nerds who piss themselves every time George Lucas does something to Star Wars. It doesn't actually affect them but I guess their lives are such that they have nothing better to do than whine about something.

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RE[2]: two sides of the coin
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 20th Dec 2011 16:42 in reply to "RE: two sides of the coin"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Quite simple. That would require people pull their heads out of the ground and admit that all the negative comments they've made about company X and be applied to the companies they seem to love so much too.


Call me when Samsung files an offensive software patent lawsuit.

That's the difference. Apple's main source of income is threatened, and instead of competing, they litigate using software patents. Samsung, HTC, and so on are *defending* themselves.

This isn't rocket science.

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RE: two sides of the coin
by Fergy on Tue 20th Dec 2011 19:18 in reply to "two sides of the coin"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

How can it be that people forgets there are two sides of the coin here?
Both samsung and Apple throws law suits against each others, so both are in the shit, not only apple.

If MS Apple and Oracle wouldn't abuse software patents I would bet there wouldn't be any lawsuits. Samsung HTC and Google don't care for software patents but they aren't going to sit still for Apple with a baseball bat.

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RE[2]: two sides of the coin
by Alfman on Tue 20th Dec 2011 20:11 in reply to "RE: two sides of the coin"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Fergy,

"If MS Apple and Oracle wouldn't abuse software patents I would bet there wouldn't be any lawsuits."

I highly doubt it. The patent system encourages the patent troll business model by rewarding them. If it wasn't these guys, it'd just be someone else.


Those who have the power to rewrite patent law, are those who created the mess in the first place. They have no incentive to change status quo, no matter how broken it may be for software developers.

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