Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Dec 2011 20:11 UTC
Google Once upon a time, in a land, far, far away, there were two mobile operating systems. One of them was designed for mobile from the ground up; the other was trying really hard to copy its older, desktop brother. One was limited in functionality, inflexible and lacked multitasking, but was very efficient, fast, and easy to use. The other had everything and the kitchen sink, was very flexible and could multitask, but had a steep learning curve, was inconsistent, and not particularly pretty.
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RE: Some corrections...
by JAlexoid on Wed 21st Dec 2011 00:23 UTC in reply to "Some corrections..."
JAlexoid
Member since:
2009-05-19

Was NFC support in the OS really the best way to spend Google's limited Android Software R&D budget (it must be limited, else I'd expect a different SDK and development tools experience for starters... more attention to bugs being reported, better TOOLS and SDK web sites, etc...)?


I'm sorry, but I very much prefer Android's Reference to iOS's. Much easier to navigate. Though if you're not used to JavaDoc style documentation, I can understand the issue but I do not share it. And Eclipse is Eclipse.

And having Diane, Romain and Xavier on the android-developers Google Group is just marvelous. Does Apple allow their highest ranked developers help app developers?

As for API bugs, Android is pretty solid. There are bugs, but they are cleaned up with new releases.

And I share your concern about the time float, though Galaxy Nexus seems to be much better with it.



Why will not iOS have something like J2ME CHAPI? Really, why are all "Share" buttons result in such horrible experience on iOS. While being wonderfully easy on Androoid - a list of applications that handle sharing. And as Thom said - can the URL https://twitter.com/#!/YouTube/status/149281734347857920 result in opening of your Twitter client and show that status on iOS? At least in latest incarnation.

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RE[2]: Some corrections...
by Not2Sure on Wed 21st Dec 2011 02:40 in reply to "RE: Some corrections..."
Not2Sure Member since:
2009-12-07

Uhh, iOS has custom URL support for app launch and 3rd party app intercommunication strategies: http://bit.ly/rM4jhI

Please consider getting at least a little informed about a subject before ranting.

Why anyone pays any attention to these "cross-platform" critiques from people with such little knowledge is beyond me. They are nothing more than arrogant displays of my arbitrary preferences make more sense than yours. Seems like a waste of time and energy.

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RE[3]: Some corrections...
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 21st Dec 2011 07:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Some corrections..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Uhh, iOS has custom URL support for app launch and 3rd party app intercommunication strategies: http://bit.ly/rM4jhI

Please consider getting at least a little informed about a subject before ranting.

Why anyone pays any attention to these "cross-platform" critiques from people with such little knowledge is beyond me. They are nothing more than arrogant displays of my arbitrary preferences make more sense than yours. Seems like a waste of time and energy.


This isn't the same as Application Components. The review is spends quite some words on that.

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RE[3]: Some corrections...
by JAlexoid on Wed 21st Dec 2011 20:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Some corrections..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

FYI: Please, whenever I post anything consider it not to be for you, or about you or anything related to you. I leave you be, you let me be. Kthnxbye...

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RE[2]: Some corrections...
by Panajev on Wed 21st Dec 2011 12:27 in reply to "RE: Some corrections..."
Panajev Member since:
2008-01-09

I'm sorry, but I very much prefer Android's Reference to iOS's. Much easier to navigate. Though if you're not used to JavaDoc style documentation, I can understand the issue but I do not share it. And Eclipse is Eclipse.


It is not the style of the documentation. It is the fact that at times it is outdated (the tools.android.com website is constantly out of date), at times it contains not functional samples, at times it is not intuitive at all in its explanations (method which does not throw an IOException if the operation does not succeed, but in the Throws notes it is said that it does throw an IOException if it cannot perform that operation ?!?), some key parts are very poorly explained or barely touched (good luck on properly understanding LinearLayout weights based on their UI documentation alone), and quite often you are presented with method parameters which are not explained in structure and use anywhere near the method (and its documentation) in which you are supposed to use them in, but to be fair Apple's documentation sometimes suffer from this issue as well.

Javadoc style documentation usually means programmers making notes and briefly documenting parameters --> automatic tool generates some HTML. That is not enough if you really mean to properly maintain what is known as "developers support/relations". I am not saying that the Android engineers do not put effort in, but unfortunately it does not feel like they have staffed a team dedicated solely to documentation and technical writing...
Good documentation, IMHO, goes beyond describing what the class and methods should do (in general terms), what the functions are named, and how many and of what type its arguments are.
Something Microsoft and Apple do understand. Look at Facebook's iOS SDK for example... they make it trivial to use, they document it really well, and provide you with clear and to the point samples to get you started as fast as possible.

Eclipse is not a bad IDE, it does a lot for you, it just does not seem that good of a fit for Android. It's big, slow, complex, and I do not know if it is helping Google to design the best possible IDE for Android development as possible. UI and usability wise, neither Eclipse nor the ADT tools win any award IMHO. With an Eclipse plugin, using JNI and a not even very recent GCC release for the NDK and for C/C++ code compatibility... well, it does not look like what a company that size, dealing with a project of this much importance and weight, would do. Not even a customized and ready-from-start for Android Eclipse set-up like Aptana provides (in addition to their Eclipse plugin)?
Eclipse works really well with Auto-completion and code snippets --> the new onClick... CTRL+SPACE action saves a lot of time and allows you to do a good deal of what you would normally accomplish with Lambda expressions (Blocks in Objective-C, but obviously not as powerful).

How much have you used a recent Xcode release (4.x series)?

And having Diane, Romain and Xavier on the android-developers Google Group is just marvelous. Does Apple allow their highest ranked developers help app developers?


Let say that Chris Lattner (head of the LLVM project and Apple employee) regularly posts on their developers forums ;) . Many Apple employees regularly post on their forums, ask for bug reports (you mention something on the forum, an Apple developer who works on the area might ask you to please file a bug report and post the bug report number [the general developers bug reports team is probably another separate team from the one working on the Clang compiler for example]), give users some help, etc... Generally, they are quite reactive to developers reported bug reports, answering developers and trying to gather more information and test cases. I have had some good help from Tor Norbye as far as the ADT plugin and the layout editor are concerned, so I am not calling into question the quality of the people involved. They just feel overworked and understaffed.

Also, along with the yearly iOS developer license you purchase, you get 2 technical incidents requests in which you can ask Apple for technical help on your app directly.


And as Thom said - can the URL https://twitter.com/#!/YouTube/status/149281734347857920 result in opening of your Twitter client and show that status on iOS? At least in latest incarnation.


http://applookup.com/2010/09/iphone-apps-with-special-url-shortcuts...

http://wiki.akosma.com/IPhone_URL_Schemes#Facebook

You have pragmatical ways of doing what you ask (open an app from another app) on iOS too. Apple does not throw hundreds of thousands of ways of doing something if 90% of them might be replaced by something quite as powerful, but easier to use and to implement.

You might be against Apple as a company, you might not like the limits they place on you as developer, you might not like their App store model, etc..., but you cannot judge their tools, their support, the quality and polish of the user and developer experience they provide as being anything but great (I did not say perfect, they are not of course).

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RE[3]: Some corrections...
by forumache on Thu 22nd Dec 2011 09:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Some corrections..."
forumache Member since:
2011-12-22

How much have you used a recent Xcode release (4.x series)?


In order to use Xcode (any version), I need to buy a Mac.

On the other hand, to develop for Android I use my Linux computer, another colleague uses his Windows machine and another one use iMac. How's that for freedom?

In order to deploy/test my application on Android, I just plug in the phone and debug. For iPhone, I need to pay for a developer account, turn iPhone into a development device (by installing certificates and other stuff on it). Freedom... is it important to you?

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