Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Dec 2011 11:27 UTC
Legal I'm guessing Apple is getting desperate, since its software patent lawsuits aren't doing particularly well. Moving on from software and design patents, the company is now suing Samsung over... Patents for mobile phone and tablet cases (more at The Verge). I think Apple has more offensive lawsuits than products now, so technically, "patent maker" is more accurate than "gadget maker" or "device maker". Fun times.
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RE[11]: two sides of the coin
by lustyd on Wed 21st Dec 2011 16:09 UTC in reply to "RE[10]: two sides of the coin"
lustyd
Member since:
2008-06-19

I'm making it easier for you: name one thing Apple has invented. Just one.

A Successful tablet?
A Successful genre defining MP3 player?
A Successful MP3 shop?

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"I'm making it easier for you: name one thing Apple has invented. Just one.

A Successful tablet?
A Successful genre defining MP3 player?
A Successful MP3 shop?
"

None of those is an answer to my question.

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RE[13]: two sides of the coin
by lustyd on Wed 21st Dec 2011 16:16 in reply to "RE[12]: two sides of the coin"
lustyd Member since:
2008-06-19

[q]None of those is an answer to my question.

I disagree, nobody else had come up with any of them before Apple, despite years and sometimes decades of trying. Apple were clearly doing something different enough to make the difference and therefore that should be patentable and they should have some protection.

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RE[12]: two sides of the coin
by tupp on Wed 21st Dec 2011 18:35 in reply to "RE[11]: two sides of the coin"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

I'm making it easier for you: name one thing Apple has invented. Just one.
A Successful tablet?
A Successful genre defining MP3 player?
A Successful MP3 shop?

Wow. The power of the RDF is amazing, and it certainly is entertaining how the fanboys can continually add on dubious and subjective conditions in an attempt to make correct a previous, broader assertion.

Here's how it works in the real world:
1. Whether or not an item is "successful" has nothing to do with whether or not that item is inventive/innovative. Objectively, business success is just sales/profit figures (which, additionally, is a matter of degree). Sprint is a very successful mobile phone carrier, but Sprint did not invent the cell phone, nor any aspect of a cell phone.

2. Likewise, whether or not an item is "genre defining" (whatever that means) is subjective and has nothing to do with whether or not that item is inventive/innovative.

3. In the real world, an invention occurs the first time an idea is tangibly recorded or made -- that act is what constitutes an original invention. The GUI trash can is an invention that came from Apple, because Apple was the first to document and make that idea. However, Apple was not the first to record or make the finger-touch tablet computer with rounded corners and a shiny, black, flush bezel. Thus, Apple did not invent such a tablet/design.


So, sales figures, profit and "popularization" have nothing to do with an item's inventiveness/innovation. Fanboys, please try to remember this fundamental, real-world concept when composing future posts.

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RE[13]: two sides of the coin
by MOS6510 on Wed 21st Dec 2011 18:55 in reply to "RE[12]: two sides of the coin"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

No claim the JooJoo was the first succesful tablet computer? :-p

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RE[13]: two sides of the coin
by lustyd on Thu 22nd Dec 2011 07:53 in reply to "RE[12]: two sides of the coin"
lustyd Member since:
2008-06-19

2. Likewise, whether or not an item is "genre defining" (whatever that means) is subjective and has nothing to do with whether or not that item is inventive/innovative.

Simple really, most normal people refer to MP3 players as iPods when speaking generally, and an RSS feed of sound recordings as a pod-cast. The BBC even tried to rename its podcasts as "free downloads" yet their DJs still say podcasts by accident more often than not, and their fans still believe they are downloading a podcast.
This is in a similar way to the Walkman in the 1980s - portable cassette players are still referred to as walkmans to this day.

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