Linked by Howard Fosdick on Wed 21st Dec 2011 00:39 UTC
Editorial M.I.T. has just announced it is expanding its list of free online courses anyone can take. Attendees earn completion certificates. M.I.T.'s OpenCourseWare project already offers 2,100 courses used by 100 million people. OpenCulture, Free Ed, E-learning Center, and Alison offer competing free online courses, including many on computing and IT certification.
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RE[7]: certificates
by Alfman on Fri 23rd Dec 2011 18:01 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: certificates"
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,

Agreed, with the caveat that it depends on who you work for. Web dev is larger than any other CS market, which makes it easier to find work. But on the other hand, many web devs are not well paid because the vast majority of clientele are cheap. I find that for most clients, price is the number one criteria over quality, consistency, security, etc. I was even arguing with a manager at an insurance company about the need to fix security issues, but they declined.


I've had some clients come to me having had a terrible experience with offshored projects, but when it comes time to fix the mess, the companies still don't want to pay to do it right. As much as we like to bash Indian IT shops over quality issues, more and more I think the companies should be faulted for not rewarding good quality in the first place. They may be getting exactly what they pay for - not very much.

Ideally there would be enough work at good companies to hire all the good devs. CS isn't the easy street it used to be.

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RE[8]: certificates
by lucas_maximus on Fri 23rd Dec 2011 21:30 in reply to "RE[7]: certificates"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

TBH like any jobs ... if you are pretty good you get employed by the better companies if you make the effort.

Not to brag ... I have been two years outta uni and I have gone up £14,000, mainly by job hopping. I started work in a recession and was rather low paid ... but I was pushed quite hard in my first job and I was scared of losing it since I thought I was "rubbish".

If you are good you will get through if you try ... eventually. It isn't easy I went for 25 job interviews, and I missed out on jobs by second place quite a lot since I had lack of "experience".

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RE[9]: certificates
by Alfman on Fri 23rd Dec 2011 22:49 in reply to "RE[8]: certificates"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,

"If you are good you will get through if you try ... eventually. It isn't easy I went for 25 job interviews, and I missed out on jobs by second place quite a lot since I had lack of 'experience'."

The problem was never with my skill level, I'm overqualified for the jobs I have. I just don't have connections with employers who can appreciate or reward my skills, and now my employment history doesn't reflect my abilities. It's a catch 22, since I'm competing against applicants who've worked at google or microsoft and get hired over me because they've worked at google or microsoft.

Please let me know if you are able to get me an "in" at a decent CS employer in suffolk county, NY.

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RE[8]: certificates
by zima on Wed 28th Dec 2011 23:50 in reply to "RE[7]: certificates"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Web dev is larger than any other CS market

Counting it as hardly CS (not really counting as such at all) would probably bring less thoughts of disappointment with the field...

(BTW, there are plenty of people who think they are overqualified for what they do... And a decade of specific work experience is part of abilities; just how the world works)

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