Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Dec 2011 22:38 UTC
Internet & Networking Yesterday, it was revealed GoDaddy actively supported SOPA - to the point of arrogance and dedain towards those opposing the US censorship law. As a result, a boycott was instated on reddit, which was picked up all over the web. Today, the company rescinded its support for SOPA - but for some high-profile clients, it's too late. Behold, the power of the internet.
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'Getting it right'
by WorknMan on Fri 23rd Dec 2011 22:56 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

It's very important that all Internet stakeholders work together on this. Getting it right is worth the wait. Go Daddy will support it when and if the Internet community supports it.


The problem with this logic is that you will never 'get it right'. If it can be seen or heard, it can be copied. And it will be copied. And you will NEVER pass a law that will change this fact without breaking the internet.

Even if you are staunchly against piracy, there's just no changing the facts, I'm sorry to say. Piracy is a business problem, and should be treated as such. Meaning, how are you going to get people to pay for your content if they can get it for free? If you can't, then you're finished. Period. End of discussion. You're never going to sue or bribe your way out of this situation.

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RE: 'Getting it right'
by ephracis on Sat 24th Dec 2011 00:15 in reply to "'Getting it right'"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

Agreed.

They will probably just going to wait a while and perhaps (if we're lucky) demand some smaller, mostly insignificant, changes. But they still believe in the core principles of the legislation, I bet.

GoDaddy lost me as a customer the second they said they supported SOPA. Turning around because of a boycott is not enough to get me back.

I acknowledge the need for artists to be able to make a living, but SOPA is not the way to do this. I, for example, am working on a system to let you send money directly to the artist. No record companies taking a large cut on the way.

We need to find other solutions. Stop SOPA!

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RE[2]: 'Getting it right'
by Alfman on Sat 24th Dec 2011 00:26 in reply to "RE: 'Getting it right'"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

ephracis,

"I, for example, am working on a system to let you send money directly to the artist. No record companies taking a large cut on the way."

I would be very interested in learning more about your work.

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RE: 'Getting it right'
by glarepate on Sat 24th Dec 2011 00:19 in reply to "'Getting it right'"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Meaning, how are you going to get people to pay for your content if they can get it for free?


I guess one answer to that is by offering people something they want at a price they are willing to pay, the current example being Louis CK.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/business/media/louis-ck-plays-a-s...

I've seen some of his stuff on You Tube and he can be pretty funny, but most of it doesn't appeal to my sense of humor. So I save $5 and I don't pirate his stuff ; all's right with the world. (o;)

And he is still, not only doing fine, but making a contribution to charity as a result of the response he got for offering his work on this basis.

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RE[2]: 'Getting it right'
by zima on Fri 30th Dec 2011 23:55 in reply to "RE: 'Getting it right'"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

How many 'examples' aren't quite so lucky, not granted such opportunity by random dynamics beyond their control, totally ignored ...even though some are maybe just as good or better? ( http://www.osnews.com/permalink?501742 )

(also, "something people want" is generally a sad subject, going into cognitive biases, runaway consumption, positional goods, and so on...)

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glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Saw this right after I posted. Not piracy-related but still some 'new economics' and thinking outside the box strategizing to provide stuff people want and are willing to pay for. These guys are running a beta aimed at re-doing cell service:

Republic Wireless now unlimited -- for real!

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57347763-251/republic-wireless...

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You pay $199 for an LG Optimus S (a small but sweet Android 2.3 phone), then $19 per month for "unlimited" voice, texting, and data.

Why the quotation marks? Republic tweaked the Optimus to use Wi-Fi whenever possible for calls and data, thereby keeping 3G usage to a minimum. It was still available, of course, but users who tapped the network too often could be subject to warnings and, with continued excessive usage, termination of service.

In other words, you could indeed enjoy unlimited everything, provided the bulk of it was on Wi-Fi networks.

That's over.
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And from RW themselves:

Unlimited

http://republicwireless.com/blog/unlimited

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It's a bit sappy, so I won't quote it here. But check it out if the CNet stuff piques your interest. Their CUI concept, mentioned in the blog article, was based on keeping about 60% of all phone traffic on WiFi with penalties for those that didn't follow the guidelines.

I am a "member" of RW, but am not part of the beta, don't have service from them, don't have one of their phones and am not an employee or relative of one, don't even know anyone on the service and receive no remuneration or other consideration(s) from them for anything whatsoever.

I read about it on Tech Crunch one morning while on the, uh, 'Net, reading stuff. 'nuf disclosure ... (o;)

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RE: 'Getting it right'
by looncraz on Sat 24th Dec 2011 01:33 in reply to "'Getting it right'"
looncraz Member since:
2005-07-24

Piracy is a business problem, and should be treated as such. Meaning, how are you going to get people to pay for your content if they can get it for free? If you can't, then you're finished. Period. End of discussion. You're never going to sue or bribe your way out of this situation.



Couldn't have said it better!!

However, there is a (simple) solution: make it easier to get it legally than it is to get it illegally.

I like the Hulu model, I can watch videos, legally, so long as my internet is strong enough to stream video (it ain't normally, though...). I don't mind watching a single commercial between show segments at all, either.

Problem is that I have no easy, digital, way to purchase an episode/movie and attain a good quality digital copy. If Hulu could expand to allow me to pay $2 per episode or less to download a medium-quality (480p) video file w/out any DRM or other tricks, I would much rather pay the money than sit with uTorrent running for hours on end just to find that the quality is sub-par, or it was a TV-rip or a CAM version...

Pay-for-quality & duration:

240p: $0.50/hr (or stream-only/ ad-sponsored)
...
480p: $1.00/hr
...
720p: $2.00/hr
...
1080p: $4.00/hr

No tricks, no specialized formats or codecs, just a web-site offering to download your own copy of a copyrighted work for a given price. Low end versions may have minor banner ads to help fray the expense. Some shows don't need any more than 480p. I'm paying for a copy AND the download service. Each subsequent download may have a small fee for each additional download, but you have the right after the first purchase to own a copy (at a given quality).

Each advancement in compression or bandwidth upgrade helps the media companies, so we'll all finally see better internet speeds!! Hooray!!

--The loon

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RE[2]: 'Getting it right'
by WorknMan on Sat 24th Dec 2011 02:33 in reply to "RE: 'Getting it right'"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I like the Hulu model, I can watch videos


I would too, if it didn't have ads. Either make it free, or remove the ads. I am NOT paying for ads under any circumstances.

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RE: 'Getting it right'
by panzi on Sat 24th Dec 2011 03:44 in reply to "'Getting it right'"
panzi Member since:
2006-01-22

... how are you going to get people to pay for your content if they can get it for free? ...


E.g. the german podcaster Tim Pritlove gives away all of his podcasts for free and can actually make a living just from flattr donations. So this argument is invalid.

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RE[2]: 'Getting it right'
by WorknMan on Sat 24th Dec 2011 03:53 in reply to "RE: 'Getting it right'"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

E.g. the german podcaster Tim Pritlove gives away all of his podcasts for free and can actually make a living just from flattr donations. So this argument is invalid.


It wasn't an argument... it was a question ;) Not everybody is going to be able to make a living this way, especially when it becomes commonplace. When everybody is giving their shit away and begging for donations, we'll see how many people will actually donate.

I think the only way to have a sustainable business model going forward is through subscription services. Well, they'll actually be more like digital lockers, where you could download as much as you want and keep it, but you wouldn't want to. In other words, why should I have to worry about keeping track of 20gb of music from device to device, when I can just pay somebody to host it for me. The more artists get played, the more money they make. In this instance, there will be a huge market for 'discovery' services. Hence, the automobile replaces the horse & buggy industry ;)

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RE[2]: 'Getting it right'
by zima on Fri 30th Dec 2011 23:43 in reply to "RE: 'Getting it right'"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

E.g. the german podcaster Tim Pritlove gives away all of his podcasts for free and can actually make a living just from flattr donations. So this argument is invalid.

Using singular examples of some rare poster-child like they somehow nullify the dilemma, treating them as able of putting such issues to rest, THAT is "invalid" - at the very least, it's limited to those who cater to web-regulars willing & able to easily donate. Or - quite a few such poster-children ride on already established ~fame, and the web is ridiculously whimsical in what it chooses to promote ...one shouldn't expect much, only hoping for an unlikely nice "prize" - just like it always was.

(not like I think there really is any sort of solution; IMHO it will largely continue being "rare big stars in the spotlight" vs. "tons of struggling unknown acts with day jobs" - that's what people seem to ultimately choose, check out top Youtube videos or TPB torrents if you have any doubt)

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RE: 'Getting it right'
by shmerl on Sun 25th Dec 2011 02:48 in reply to "'Getting it right'"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Better for them to be finished and Internet to remain free.

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