Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 24th Dec 2011 13:00 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Earlier today, Samsung revealed that it won't update the Galaxy S, its most successful smartphone to date, to the latest version of Android. You might shrug and dismiss that as just more evidence of Android's inherent fragmentation or the need for buyers to beware, but I take grave issue with it. This is a decision based not on technical constraints, as Samsung would have you believe, but on hubris." This. A gazillion million thousand times this. Also: "It's simple: make a large high-end device, a smaller value device, and a QWERTY device. Maybe one or two other specialty form factors, tops. That's it. Update them once a year, and keep the names the same." It would make updating a hell of a lot easier. We don't need the Samsung Galaxy SII Epic 4G Touch Sensation.
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Regulate carrier behavior
by saso on Sat 24th Dec 2011 14:32 UTC
saso
Member since:
2007-04-18

The real culprit here is, me thinks, the carriers - they artificially position themselves as the primary channel by which customers get a handset. They do so by way of subsidies, so the customer has little incentive to get an open phone (e.g. Nexus) versus a carrier-branded subsidized version of the same thing + the crapware on it. In my country, sure you can buy a phone over the counter, but the carrier won't give you any discount on the contract if you choose to get a phone somewhere else - you still pay, pretty much, the same. The only difference is that perhaps the minimum contract term will be shortened (e.g. min. 2 months, vs. 24 months) - not much of an advantage, considering that switching carriers is painful, even with number portability.

We need a market regulation body to step in here and either:
a) forbid phone subsidies, or
b) mandate that carriers must clearly declare the cost of the phone in the contract as a separate item and allow for consumers to demand removal of that fee, should they obtain a phone somewhere else.

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RE: Regulate carrier behavior
by Brendan on Sat 24th Dec 2011 15:43 in reply to "Regulate carrier behavior"
Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

Hi,

The real culprit here is, me thinks, the carriers


I think the culprit is consumers. Any moron willing to bend over backwards to spend several hundred $$ on a disposable plastic box deserves to be taken advantage of while they're bending over.

- Brendan

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes, because you surely don't have hobby or a guilty pleasure you spend more money on than a normal person would do.

I hope you can hear me way up that high horse of yours.

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RE[2]: Regulate carrier behavior
by saso on Sat 24th Dec 2011 16:38 in reply to "RE: Regulate carrier behavior"
saso Member since:
2007-04-18

I think the culprit is consumers. Any moron willing to bend over backwards to spend several hundred $$ on a disposable plastic box deserves to be taken advantage of while they're bending over.

Can you please substantiate your claim that the blame lies with consumers, rather than large multi-national carrier corporations, with anything more than (imho) ad-hominem attacks on a potentially large and diverse group of people?
Also, I disagree with your implied labeling of modern smartphones as a "disposable plastic box". They've become powerful portable general-purpose computers in an appealing form-factor. Surely you too must see the potential benefits brings to consumers, and thus understand the resulting desire for them on the market.

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RE[2]: Regulate carrier behavior
by David on Sat 24th Dec 2011 18:31 in reply to "RE: Regulate carrier behavior"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

Re: "plastic boxes,"
That's some good trolling there, sir. Sure come to a forum for computing enthusiasts and belittle the pinnacle of modern consumer computing tech.

Now that you've succeeded in getting people riled up, why don't you head on over to gardening forums and tell people that it's easier to just buy your vegetables from the grocery store.

Oh, and head on over to mountaineering forums and remind people that there's nothing at the tops of mountains but rocks, so why bother?

What, you say? Because it would just make you look like an idiot with too much time on his hands? Exactly.

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RE[2]: Regulate carrier behavior
by kaiwai on Mon 26th Dec 2011 01:09 in reply to "RE: Regulate carrier behavior"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I think the culprit is consumers. Any moron willing to bend over backwards to spend several hundred $$ on a disposable plastic box deserves to be taken advantage of while they're bending over.


Spending money isn't the problem - idiots who buy their phones on contract and only realise after the contract has finished how much they've been shafted, they're the real problem. In all due respect, this is an 'only in America' moment where the dumb public spend $199 for a phone and pay for that phone ten times over by being bound into a contract because they think they're getting a 'great deal' based on a low entry price.

Edited 2011-12-26 01:10 UTC

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