Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Dec 2011 21:50 UTC
Windows Fascinating, this. As a Windows Phone 7 user, I can attest that it is every bit as good as iOS and Android - heck, in my experience, it is more polished, more consistent, smoother, and faster than either of those two. Yet, despite raving reviews and glowing user comments all over the web, Windows Phone 7 simply isn't selling. Former Windows Phone 7 general manager Charlie Kindel believes it's because neither carriers nor device makers like the control Microsoft exerts over the platform.
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RE: I hate Metro.
by Morgan on Wed 28th Dec 2011 09:22 UTC in reply to "I hate Metro."
Morgan
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2005-06-29

That's exactly how I felt about the old WinMo interface. No matter how much I tried to like it, no matter how many hours I spent learning it, I never could get it to behave long enough to get anything done. I think Microsoft finally started listening to the end users instead of their own engineers, and they came up with something (in my opinion, of course) elegantly simple with WP7. And as with anything else, it's not for everybody.

I've always felt that one should use the tool that works for them instead of trying to bend themselves to the tool's will. With that said, I'm curious: What is your mobile platform of choice?

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RE[2]: I hate Metro.
by _txf_ on Wed 28th Dec 2011 10:51 in reply to "RE: I hate Metro."
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2008-03-17

I think Microsoft finally started listening to the end users instead of their own engineers, and they came up with something (in my opinion, of course) elegantly simple with WP7.


I highly doubt that they listened to end users. End users would have told them to remake iOS or Android. Metro seems to be designed top-down. Not that i'm knocking their approach.

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RE[3]: I hate Metro.
by Morgan on Wed 28th Dec 2011 15:49 in reply to "RE[2]: I hate Metro."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

You know, I don't really think so. Metro is so radically different from what Microsoft is used to doing. If you compare the current Windows desktop metaphor to Android and iOS, it's really not all that different. You have icons, you click on them, they open windows (granted, full screen but still a "windowed" interface). People may be used to that, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's what they want. After all, WinMo6 and previous are basically clones of the Windows desktop and they are a miserable failure in the ease of use department.

With Metro, instead of icons on a background you have live tiles, which can relay a lot of information without even being opened. And once you do open a tile, it's not just an app it's actually a workflow using several apps in the background, tied together to complete a task. There is still the "app for a task" metaphor going on in a few areas, especially third party software, but I feel that Microsoft of all entities is actually moving in the right direction towards a workflow/document centric metaphor and away from their own outdated and dying application centric metaphor.

The reason I say they are listening to users rather than engineers is in the simplicity of it all. Sure, anyone can use the Windows desktop (and by extension, the old Windows Mobile OS) for the base tasks, but what happens the first time someone's computer goes haywire? If they are not tech-savvy themselves, they call someone like you or me to fix it. Someone who may or may not be an engineer, or at the very least a geeky amateur hacker. Especially in the phone arena, people want it to just freaking work and work right, no tinkering necessary. It's one of the things Apple does so very well, and I think for once Microsoft is outdoing them when it comes to the user experience.

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RE[2]: I hate Metro.
by vtolkov on Wed 28th Dec 2011 22:37 in reply to "RE: I hate Metro."
vtolkov Member since:
2006-07-26

I'm curious: What is your mobile platform of choice?


I would prefer iOs, but I use Android, just because of the cheep plan from Virgin Mobile. Android is somehow Ok, it has hotspot support, so I can use it for my notebook. It has also Google services, which is nice, and SD card support, so I keep a subversion repository on it. No much love though, I miss visual polishing of my iPad's interface. I do not like iPhone hardware much, because of its heavy glass design.

With WP7, I think, they combined negative sides of iOs and Android. It is closed like iOS, so no hotspot or native development. It has a heavy runtime, so low battery life and long app start. It has a strange UI, going against people expectations, no hints, no zones, no backgrounds, just strangely sized fonts. I do not understand people who designed the UI. I'm clearly from another planet.

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RE[3]: I hate Metro.
by vtolkov on Wed 28th Dec 2011 22:45 in reply to "RE[2]: I hate Metro."
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2006-07-26

I want to add also, that I think, the goal of WP7 was to make a different UI. Not a better UI, but a different one. MS succeeded in that, so they got love from some gadget lovers who was waiting for something new and distinguishably different. But the majority of users wanted something useful and familiar and they were not appreciated efforts.

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RE[3]: I hate Metro.
by Morgan on Thu 29th Dec 2011 00:53 in reply to "RE[2]: I hate Metro."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Okay, so most of the negative points you mentioned could be considered personal preference. That's perfectly fine. But two things you critiqued tell me quite clearly you either have no clue what you're talking about, or you are intentionally being misleading.

You said the OS suffers from short battery life and "long app start" which I assume means a lag between tapping a tile and the app launching. I regularly get two to three full days on a charge with moderate use. I can kill it in 20 hours if I really try, but that requires keeping the screen on constantly and always doing something with the device. That is unrealistic for most people's use cases. The last smartphone I had that could come close was a Symbian based Nokia Nuron, and I would have to charge it the second night. Before that it was the Palm Treo that would get me through three solid work days between charges. All other smartphones I've owned had to be charged no less than every 12 hours.

In the nearly four weeks I've had this phone, I have yet to experience any UI lag or slow launching apps. In fact, I'd put it a few notches above the MyTouch 4G and my Nook Color with LauncherPro in the fluidity and responsiveness areas.

I hope this helped clear up any misinformation you were subject to. ;)

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