Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Jan 2012 19:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source Late last year, president Obama signed a law that makes it possible to indefinitely detain terrorist suspects without any form of trial or due process. Peaceful protesters in Occupy movements all over the world have been labelled as terrorists by the authorities. Initiatives like SOPA promote diligent monitoring of communication channels. Thirty years ago, when Richard Stallman launched the GNU project, and during the three decades that followed, his sometimes extreme views and peculiar antics were ridiculed and disregarded as paranoia - but here we are, 2012, and his once paranoid what-ifs have become reality.
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There is a peaceful way out. But then the discussion has to go into a religious sphere. Although all of this can be backed with with logic stronger than the coherence of the disbeliever.

Yes, we live in a society that poisons it`s own population. But what is the root cause?

The root cause of this is disbelief in morality, belief in physicalism, disbelief in duality. Etc. These are the base concepts.

Disbeliers live in a culture where they are purely physical, have no soul, have no eternal life, have only limited ability, have no purpose to their life, have no one force beind everything, and therefore idolize whatever person or object they believe to be responsible for what they like. They are told a random source, of physical nature, equal to white noise has created to universe. And often uphold this all with utmost arrogance.

Ofcourse if this causes depression, anxiety, or other illnesses, due to lack of belief in God, they are given pills by the same people who claim they have no soul, and are physical alone, that these pills alter your physicality, so your problem is fixed.

Without an allknowing God, there is no absolute morality. No sane man tries to extract morals from a mindless whitenoise creator. Still they claim this is how it is.

It is a battle of belief vs disbelief. Because without belief, there is no right or wrong. There are no moral limits. Theoretically if one gains enough understading of the physical nature of man, one can alted it, and create monsters. And it would purely be seen as darwinian evolution. Which ofcourse is an absurd theory that also bases itsel on mindless whitenoise/randomness, aka NOT intelligent design.

So where do you go for morals? Where do you go for decency? In a time of pornopop, and disbelieving culture, where do you go for a decent non-cheating wife. Where do you go for non-pub culture, non-drunkeness, non-violence. Where do you go for sanity?

Faith ofcourse.

And the logic of it is much more coherent that a randomphysical source that for some reason an atheist has no need to explain.

The believers logic is this:

All limited phenomena must be from an unlimited phenomena.

The unlimited phenomena can be described as eternal, almighty, transcendent. And it can only be one, that posesses all might.
And an unlimited chain of events cannot exists, as it lack a beginning, and therefore a chain of events.
Therefore the chain of events that our universe is a part of, must have a transcendent cause.
And consciousness is not an aspect of the limited, A machine does not posess emotions, intellect, senses. Therefore consciousness must be the unlimited.
And this unlimited is experienced as The Word, by gnostics. And with The Word, is the meaning.
In other words, God must exist, and it must be consciousness, the life in humans, trees, plants and all life, and it is the only eternity, and the meaning.
And we can know that God is good, because it is our own nature.

Think about it, and understand the fundamentals of monotheism, dualism and also the conservative politics that comes with not going against oneself.

And if everyone realises the truth of it, there will be world peace, and life according to ones own universal soul.

And these values can be carried into anything that is done.
Computers, Linux, Freesoftware.
And ofcourse used against, anything that subjects man to inferior ideals/idols/commercial machines. And so forth.

We are not here to be slaves to a system. The system is here to be slaves to us.


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Gullible Jones Member since:

I think the evidence for your statements is lacking. The majority of the US population is religious, often devoutly.

Unless you meant to imply that your religion is the One True Way, and everyone who doesn't believe in it must be at least amoral. In which case I won't argue with you, because such an argument would not be productive.

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ParadoxUncreated Member since:

GOD is the first being, and all souls. (are derived of him/are of his nature).

Away with fundamental association such as atheisms "random" physical measurable creator, and those deviant and ill, that directly or indirectly attribute meaning to randomness. Away with darwinism, and "random" mutation, that would have left a pile of carcasses from mismutation large than any number of "successful" fossils. Away with physicalism that is polytheistic and satanic in that one is two-brainhalves, rather than one non-physical divine soul.

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zima Member since:

There is a peaceful way out. But then the discussion has to go into a religious sphere. [...]

Rubbish, stop pushing your imaginary antiques at every opportunity - they evolved when we were hunter-gatherers, most of their time was then, in very brutal times, and its better to leave them there, in the past.
Stop spreading everywhere your empty mental masturbations which don't survive confrontation with the simplest demographical statistics.

Just look at the map of the world sometimes.

Religious places are generally, on average, most backward on all levels; OTOH there's definitely a correlation between organic lower religiosity and positive societal factors. The places which are most secular (as in actually secular, not just being called like that by official PR) are generally by far the nicest to live in.

(and before you point out, say, state atheism in the eastern block like most simpletons do - those places actually weren't irreligious, that's known by everybody who lived there ...curiously, there's no phenomena of "unbaptised generation" & virtually all Party members were closet practitioners; also, the ideologies, cult of personality, etc. were really quite religious in nature - the most striking present example is Juche; North Korea is described by some visiting commentators as the most religious country on the planet they've seen)

Coincidentally, I'm from one of most backwards like that places in Europe... and also, by chance, neighbouring some major (this time counting worldwide) secular areas - and not in the sense of "neglect", in the sense that majority there declares they do not believe in any collection of myths...

...startling difference / it's a joy to visit / so much nicer it's not funny. It is funny to point this out to "deeply religious" people who were there on a visit, usually didn't realize the specifics of the place (it's not like the places advertise their irreligion, contrary to what those grabbed in religious dynamics tend to do / jump in your face), and describe their visit very much in superlatives - how the people are nicer, how they feel safer, how surroundings are better maintained ...also religious monuments; but that's it, in many ways those are just cultural artefacts, protected by law, of the past eras)

Edited 2012-01-10 00:19 UTC

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