Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Jan 2012 19:12 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source Late last year, president Obama signed a law that makes it possible to indefinitely detain terrorist suspects without any form of trial or due process. Peaceful protesters in Occupy movements all over the world have been labelled as terrorists by the authorities. Initiatives like SOPA promote diligent monitoring of communication channels. Thirty years ago, when Richard Stallman launched the GNU project, and during the three decades that followed, his sometimes extreme views and peculiar antics were ridiculed and disregarded as paranoia - but here we are, 2012, and his once paranoid what-ifs have become reality.
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RE[4]: Way missed the mark
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 3rd Jan 2012 11:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Way missed the mark"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

And what does this have to do with the NDAA? Exactly.


*sigh*

I'm not even going to explain how all this ties together to you anymore, because it's pretty obvious that if you don't want to get it now, you'll never get it. You're probably better off for it.

If you don't see how dangerous the current goings on are, and how free and open access to the code that runs on your devices is an important weapon in counteracting these goings on, then I don't think any explanation is going to do it for you.

Considering your posting history, your inability to understand all this is probably dictated by you brain coping with cognitive dissonance, meaning nobody is going to be able to explain it to you.

At least the Grubers, Sieglers, and Arments of this world have the decency to deal with their cognitive dissonances the healthy way: just ignore it and hope it goes away.

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RE[5]: Way missed the mark
by lucas_maximus on Tue 3rd Jan 2012 13:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Way missed the mark"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

No I just don't think that opensource is some magic fairy dust that suddenly fixes everything.

As someone else pointed out that whether the system is open or closed means that it will still have to connect to network that can likely monitor them.

Unless they make something like a mesh network like they did when the Egypt rioted.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/02/01/egypt-protests-hac...

http://www.openmeshproject.org/

The software enabling people to do this was not necessarily running on open source software. I think it ran on quite a range of devices.

I see no mention of this in your article. I do see a lot of hysteria about two completely unrelated bills.

Also Open source software due to it nature does not make innovative products.

http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-Gadget-Manifesto/dp/0307269647 from the Q&A

Web 2.0 adherents might respond to these objections by claiming that I have confused individual expression with intellectual achievement. This is where we find our greatest point of disagreement. I am amazed by the power of the collective to enthrall people to the point of blindness. Collectivists adore a computer operating system called LINUX, for instance, but it is really only one example of a descendant of a 1970s technology called UNIX. If it weren’t produced by a collective, there would be nothing remarkable about it at all.

Meanwhile, the truly remarkable designs that couldn’t have existed 30 years ago, like the iPhone, all come out of "closed" shops where individuals create something and polish it before it is released to the public. Collectivists confuse ideology with achievement.


You speak to the collectivists, I am not one of them. You have a "Post Comment" section on the site but become upset when people question your logic ... maybe you shouldn't allow them?

Edited 2012-01-03 13:35 UTC

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RE[6]: Way missed the mark
by r_a_trip on Tue 3rd Jan 2012 15:18 in reply to "RE[5]: Way missed the mark"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Meanwhile, the truly remarkable designs that couldn’t have existed 30 years ago, like the iPhone, all come out of "closed" shops where individuals create something and polish it before it is released to the public.

Yet that same iPhone is powered by a toned down OS X, which was created with and only possible due to the availability of the collectivised Mach and FreeBSD, which both lead directly back to that same old 1970s technology called UNIX.

It's funny how the naysayers can always claim straightfaced that Linux is just a copy of Unix and ignore 20 years of developments and then turn around and point to Apple's OS as the pinnacle of innovation and completely ignore the same OS heritage.

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decision_theorist Member since:
2012-01-03

"And what does this have to do with the NDAA? Exactly.


*sigh*

I'm not even going to explain how all this ties together to you anymore,

...

If you don't see how dangerous the current goings on are, and how free and open access to the code that runs on your devices is an important weapon in counteracting these goings on, then I don't think any explanation is going to do it for you.
"

Sorry, but I think this is really a complete surrender. If you're not actually going to explain your argument then what is your article for?

Your article should explain these things, but instead it fudges the details.

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RE[6]: Way missed the mark
by lucas_maximus on Tue 3rd Jan 2012 18:52 in reply to "RE[5]: Way missed the mark"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I can't explain something, therefore you are wrong and have something wrong with you

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