Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Jan 2012 18:28 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Hold on to your panties, because this should come as a surprise: I'm actually agreeing that Samsung is copying Apple. The Korean company just released a new entry-level Android smartphone, and it's called the Samsung Galaxy Ace Plus. While Apple's previous complaints regarding Samsung's supposed copying were obviously nonsense, this Galaxy Ace Plus, on the other hand... It's almost as if Samsung is giving Apple the finger by copying the iPhone 3G(S) almost verbatim.
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RE[3]: Its a cultural thing
by unclefester on Fri 6th Jan 2012 04:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Its a cultural thing"
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The Chinese didn't stop trade with the west as a part of a nefarious plan. The real reason was that the West had very little worthwhile to offer. Most Western products in the 1840s were mass produced consumer junk - tinware, crude stamped pottery etc - all products that the Chinese could produce cheaper and better. Why would any sane person swap Chinese tea (worth thousands of dollars a kilo in today's money) for some crappy English pottery or coarse wool cloth?

The Chinese also had no need for steam engines as labour was very cheap.

Your idea that inventions spring fully formed after spending millions on research is ludicrous. All R&D is really little more than a refinement of existing ideas (virtually all of which were originally discovered by accident and tinkering).

James Watt didn't invent the steam engine he merely improved the existing century year old designs. Before that he made counterfeits of expensive German flutes.

The electric motor concept was discovered by accident when two hand operated generators were accidently connected to each other. The EMF was also originally discovered by accident.

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RE[4]: Its a cultural thing
by frderi on Fri 6th Jan 2012 18:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Its a cultural thing"
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If you think Delft pottery compares in anyway to Chinese porcelain you have rocks in your head. Delft may have be distinctive but it was crudely made rubbish.


Where did you see me arguing Delft porcelain was better than Chinese porcelain?

Western countries obtained access to Chinese and Japanese technology by literally invading the countries and stealing their trade secrets.


Which cannot be said ofcourse of the Chinese, as their ethics totally probihit industrial espionage. That's when they visit trade shows, they only take those pictures to show them off to their friends and family. Hmmm…

The Chinese didn't stop trade with the west as a part of a nefarious plan. The real reason was that the West had very little worthwhile to offer.


Quite the contrary. Western trade in China was probihited by Chinese authority, out of fear that it would generate 'unrest' and 'disorder', regulating it heavily and designating it to a few isolated areas, discouraging it by raising a not unsubstantial sales tax on it.

Most Western products in the 1840s were mass produced consumer junk - tinware, crude stamped pottery etc - all products that the Chinese could produce cheaper and better.


When a chinese farmer grows tea, it is a highly developed and valuable item, but when a western scientist makes a breaktrough discovery, it was really dumb luck? How much more can you really look down upon the West? And in the case of silk, its not even human-made pruduct, its a naturally occuring resource which was kept secret intentionally out of greed with the intent of wealth hoarding by ruling royal dynasties.

The Chinese also had no need for steam engines as labour was very cheap.


You're confusing cause and effect. Until well into the industrial revolution, labour was cheap in the West as well. The industrial revolution and the subsequent social struggle from the labour unions _facilitated_ higher wages and better life standards for the majority of the population.

Your idea that inventions spring fully formed after spending millions on research is ludicrous. All R&D is really little more than a refinement of existing ideas (virtually all of which were originally discovered by accident and tinkering). James Watt didn't invent the steam engine he merely improved the existing century year old designs. Before that he made counterfeits of expensive German flutes. The electric motor concept was discovered by accident when two hand operated generators were accidently connected to each other. The EMF was also originally discovered by accident.


James Watt improved upon an existing design in such a way that it made steam engines vastly more efficient, after which they became the de facto standard and main catalyst of the industrial revolution. The Watt steam engine was the main facilitator of producing goods in large quantities. Before it, production of goods was regulated to low volume labor intensive hand crafted items. Mass production increased human efficiency significantly, ultimately augmenting life standards and producing wealth for the masses, not just for the happy few.

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