Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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Microsoft, we build operating systems ..
by kragil on Fri 6th Jan 2012 11:11 UTC
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

.. that are so easy to fuck up beyond repair that the only way to fix them is to reinstall or reset.

Making them harder to fuck up obviously is not a solution MS is contemplating.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Yet Linux bakes it into the user experience. To the extent people aren't updating Linux servers. An update can kill you wireless or video still.

TBH While WinXP was prone to breaking itself (it needed care), Windows Vista and 7 really don't have any problems.

Yes you have to make sure you aren't running every update manager under the planet, and everything is not starting on boot but this is the same for MacOSX and Linux as well

Edited 2012-01-06 12:53 UTC

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

What planet are you living on?
Distribution upgrades on Linux - yes, Ubuntu manages to break a lot. Software package updates On Linux - no, RedHat(6 years of updates), SUSE(3years of updates) and Debians(Ubuntu 8.04 Server hasn't had any unplanned downtine due to botched updates) work perfectly well.

To my knowledge Windows Server 2003 and newer handle updates without issues.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Yet Linux bakes it into the user experience. To the extent people aren't updating Linux servers.

Only crap sys admins allow their servers to run out of date. Just like how crap intranet developers have forced some organisations to keep their users on XP + IE6.

Crap technicians exist on both platforms and hardly prove a point.

An update can kill you wireless or video still.

There's been plenty of horror stories about Windows driver updates and service packs breaking previously working systems.

Yes you have to make sure you aren't running every update manager under the planet, and everything is not starting on boot but this is the same for MacOSX and Linux as well

Actually it's not an issue for Linux as all the updates are managed centrally, which makes a massive difference (particularly as the majority of Windows start up bloat is the plethora of third party update managers)

I will say that in all fairness, an experienced user can keep even XP running stable for years without a re-install and the state of things have definitely got better with Win7. However I still think there is lots of room for improvement - and I mean that on both Windows and Linux.

Edited 2012-01-06 13:06 UTC

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Update break your video or wifi? Maybe try a more stable distribution. While there are crap distributions and crap hardware manufacturers, my current distro of choice has been fine across several major versions and gpu/wifi combinations. Granted, I may have a bias towards hardware manufacturers that support a choice of OS platforms; one doesn't buy an HP and complain about how it doesn't run osX well after all.

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Windows is much harder to fuck up then XP and below used to be. Much harder. Reinstalls are never really necessary anymore, but for computer illiterate users, making reinstalls easier is good for everyone.

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Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

.. that are so easy to fuck up beyond repair that the only way to fix them is to reinstall or reset.

Making them harder to fuck up obviously is not a solution MS is contemplating.


My sentiments exactly.. they keep adding tools to clean up after their crap solutions.. instead of fixing their terrible mess.. but that would break backwards compatibility! Imagine if their customers couldn't run their windows 3.1 software on windows 8 .. !! oh the horror!

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

There are tools, it is called MSCONFIG, and has been there for the last 10 years at least.

Don't make uninformed statements about Windows.

At least Windows has backwards compatibility (and forward), try installing the latest Firefox on Ubuntu 4.04 ... good luck.

Firefox should even work on Win2000 (which has a higher install base for desktop than Linux).

Edited 2012-01-07 17:54 UTC

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