Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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Any OS? Certainly not Debian!
by kragil on Fri 6th Jan 2012 11:18 UTC
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

I don't think any Debian developer/expert user ever advised people to reinstall the whole OS to fix something or make it faster.

If you know your way around the package manager you can fix just about anything and it has been that way for more than 10 years.

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kokara4a Member since:
2005-09-16

I've had pretty some bad experience with Debian 'apt-get dist-upgrade' where I ended up with partial upgrade and dependency problems. Admittedly, I'm not a Debian developer/expert although I have managed to get certain dependency problems fixed after a lot of man-page reading and head scratching.

Don't get me wrong, I love the deb package system and I only use distributions with deb packages. It's my favorite Linux technology (after Linux itself). The only thing it's missing is a rollback. I hear that may be possible with Btrfs snapshotting so it's seems we're getting there soon.

But not everyone is an expert. And he/she shouldn't be. Precisely because most times it works flawlessly - you take it for granted and when sth goes wrong you are in a WTF situation.

Still, I see nothing wrong with reinstalling every once in a while if only to repartition your disks to your better liking ;)

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I could do with a better way to reinstall all currently installed packages with a forced over-write. My build script aproach works but a more dynamic "what packages are installed | aptitude reinstall with extreme prejeduce" short command could be very handy. Might be that I juts don't know dpkg/aptitude well enough.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

This is true for any OS.

Whatever OS you use, if the user or users have free reign to install or configure whatever they feel like, from the Internet, free CDs from Magazines and friends, after a while the system is just unusable.

You can add as much security and integrity mechanisms as you want, but if the users have root/admin access they will eventually kill the system.

This is bound to happen to any system. Heck I am even aware of some friend's smartphones that could have a reinstall, when they start messing with the settings.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

TBH this isn't necessary. Using CCleaner or something similar on Windows will do most of the heavy lifting for you, though it is pretty much a nicer front end to MSConfig.exe

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MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

"know your way around" requires a bit more know how than most users are going to have. My favorite WTF was when my console text editor of choice stopped working. The program in /usr/bin was fine, but I tracked it down to the filesystem getting full, which caused one of the links in /etc/alternatives (to my text editor) now showed up as a 2GB file instead of a link.

Of course that's precisely what should happen when I slip and let my filesystem get too full!

You aren't wrong though, that Debian install lasted through years, couple major kernel versions, several hard drives and two completely different systems. It's still running in fact, though I haven't touched it in a year or so.

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Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

you're delusional. one can find buggy software to mess up debian.

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oiaohm Member since:
2009-05-30

you're delusional. one can find buggy software to mess up debian.


I have not been able to find one that can mess up debian past repair. debsums is a great tool to track down what has been damaged so you can reinstall the damaged packages.

Pitty blood relation ubuntu lacks it.

Mind you I am looking forwards to btrfs snapshots that will make Linux systems way more resistant. MS here is partly trying to get in first strike against what is coming.

My concerns is what is the first strike going todo. MS actions normally good comes with bad the question is where is the bad.

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