Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Yet Linux bakes it into the user experience. To the extent people aren't updating Linux servers. An update can kill you wireless or video still.

TBH While WinXP was prone to breaking itself (it needed care), Windows Vista and 7 really don't have any problems.

Yes you have to make sure you aren't running every update manager under the planet, and everything is not starting on boot but this is the same for MacOSX and Linux as well

Edited 2012-01-06 12:53 UTC

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

What planet are you living on?
Distribution upgrades on Linux - yes, Ubuntu manages to break a lot. Software package updates On Linux - no, RedHat(6 years of updates), SUSE(3years of updates) and Debians(Ubuntu 8.04 Server hasn't had any unplanned downtine due to botched updates) work perfectly well.

To my knowledge Windows Server 2003 and newer handle updates without issues.

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Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

What planet are you living on?
Distribution upgrades on Linux - yes, Ubuntu manages to break a lot. Software package updates On Linux - no, RedHat(6 years of updates), SUSE(3years of updates) and Debians(Ubuntu 8.04 Server hasn't had any unplanned downtine due to botched updates) work perfectly well.

To my knowledge Windows Server 2003 and newer handle updates without issues.


If you don't count rebooting every tuesday to patch holes in iis and .net "issues" sure.. it works frikkin wonderful!

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Yet Linux bakes it into the user experience. To the extent people aren't updating Linux servers.

Only crap sys admins allow their servers to run out of date. Just like how crap intranet developers have forced some organisations to keep their users on XP + IE6.

Crap technicians exist on both platforms and hardly prove a point.

An update can kill you wireless or video still.

There's been plenty of horror stories about Windows driver updates and service packs breaking previously working systems.

Yes you have to make sure you aren't running every update manager under the planet, and everything is not starting on boot but this is the same for MacOSX and Linux as well

Actually it's not an issue for Linux as all the updates are managed centrally, which makes a massive difference (particularly as the majority of Windows start up bloat is the plethora of third party update managers)

I will say that in all fairness, an experienced user can keep even XP running stable for years without a re-install and the state of things have definitely got better with Win7. However I still think there is lots of room for improvement - and I mean that on both Windows and Linux.

Edited 2012-01-06 13:06 UTC

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manjabes Member since:
2005-08-27

Actually it's not an issue for Linux as all the updates are managed centrally, which makes a massive difference (particularly as the majority of Windows start up bloat is the plethora of third party update managers)


I beg to differ. When you want to update an application for some important new feature or bugfix then the updated packages are most probably not available on the "main" or "stable" repository but either some testing repo or third party repository. And then you scout the internet for possible repositories, each hosting their selection of duplicates and the app from that repo absolutely requires that repo's version of library X which of course conflicts with your installed stable (==old as hell) version of library X and there you have it - DLL hell all over again, this time with a different dressing.

And of course no Linux install comes with startup bloat, no sir! I absolutely need the plethora of servers and services that get started on a default install. SSH for when I want to remotely log in to my laptop (which is always travelling with me), cupsd (although I have never owned a printer) or even the full LAMP stack that some distros install.

To paraphrase our resident DJ Thom: "Pot, meet kettle!"

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Actually it's not an issue for Linux as all the updates are managed centrally, which makes a massive difference (particularly as the majority of Windows start up bloat is the plethora of third party update managers)


Have you seen the number of services running on an Ubuntu or Fedora install? Quite a few, some I don't even know why they are there ... bluetooth device manager even when there is no bluetooth devices etc.

I have one update manager (for Adobe Reader), running on my system. Everything else is done via Windows Update ... that is Drivers, Office, SQL Server, VS 2010 ... Everything else checks when the app starts up.

I will say that in all fairness, an experienced user can keep even XP running stable for years without a re-install and the state of things have definitely got better with Win7. However I still think there is lots of room for improvement - and I mean that on both Windows and Linux.


Yeah there is, but the OP said that Windows had the problem ... I contest that buy saying they all have their problems.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Update break your video or wifi? Maybe try a more stable distribution. While there are crap distributions and crap hardware manufacturers, my current distro of choice has been fine across several major versions and gpu/wifi combinations. Granted, I may have a bias towards hardware manufacturers that support a choice of OS platforms; one doesn't buy an HP and complain about how it doesn't run osX well after all.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

jabbotts,

"Update break your video or wifi? Maybe try a more stable distribution."

Yes of course you can blame the distro, but the very same distro may be very good for some users and not work for others.

Ubuntu had a regression for me where the video turns black after bootup with my nvidia chipset. The live CD would work (I guess in vesa modes), but the installed version just won't work out of the box.

I tried Mint debian edition once, but of all things the PS/2 mouse wouldn't work. I tried in vein to get it working, I ruled out hardware, I finally gave up and installed Mint Ubuntu edition.

We don't always appreciate that incompatibilities do exist, and they can be very difficult to resolve.


I usually find linux easier than windows to install because it doesn't have the catch-22 situation windows has when drivers aren't installed out of the box (I always bring a linux live cd with me when someone asks me to install windows so I can download windows drivers).

Anyways if ms is improving this, that's a welcome change.

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