Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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RE: Slow down?
by christian on Fri 6th Jan 2012 13:54 UTC in reply to "Slow down?"
christian
Member since:
2005-07-06

And design a better filesystem while your at it. - Then maybe, you won't need to reinstall because of it "slowing down"


I bought a newly installed WinXP laptop for friend, went through the painful process of installing all the latest windows updates (*3* reboots IIRC) and found that although the disk was only 10% full, data was all clustered in the first 20% of the disk and was badly fragmented. It's like MS learned nothing from the BSD filesystem research on UNIX from the early 80's, and thirty years later NTFS still performs like a UNIX V7 filesystem.

Once the filesystem fills up, there's no hope of even successfully defragging properly, though I did find some of the defrag utilities at sysinternals (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/bb545027) very useful (page file defrag!)

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RE[2]: Slow down?
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 14:24 in reply to "RE: Slow down?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Windows XP is 11 years old.

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RE[3]: Slow down?
by christian on Fri 6th Jan 2012 14:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Slow down?"
christian Member since:
2005-07-06

Windows XP is 11 years old.


OK, so they were only 20 years behind filesystem layout research upon release.

ext3 has a similar age to the NTFS used in XP, and I'd take it any day over NTFS in how its performance degrades over time (all anecdotal, of course, no numbers to back that up etc.)

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RE[3]: Slow down?
by XenonXZ on Fri 6th Jan 2012 15:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Slow down?"
XenonXZ Member since:
2011-05-25

Thom, NTFS is also in Windows 7...

Since I have never messed with Windows 7 (Onlyuse it at work because I am forced to) is there an alternative filesystem to NTFS in Windows 7?

Edited 2012-01-06 15:32 UTC

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Holy Hyperbole!
by Drumhellar on Fri 6th Jan 2012 18:49 in reply to "RE: Slow down?"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Weird. I haven't defragged in a year. I just checked, and I'm 1% fragmented.
I also frequently install/reinstall software, and add/erase large amounts of files, big and small.

I know my experience isn't universal, but my usage pattern should be the type that causes much fragmentation, yet it doesn't.

Edited 2012-01-06 18:49 UTC

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RE: Holy Hyperbole!
by Alfman on Fri 6th Jan 2012 22:13 in reply to "Holy Hyperbole!"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Drumhellar,

"I know my experience isn't universal, but my usage pattern should be the type that causes much fragmentation, yet it doesn't."


It depends of how full the drive is. Consider a disk at 50% capacity, there are probably still plenty of unfragmented clusters available to place new files in, and so those files won't become fragmented, even if files are deleted.

It's not until the disk approaches capacity that the file system has to start making compromises about placing bits of files at less ideal locations and fragmentation begins to take place.

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