Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Actually it's not an issue for Linux as all the updates are managed centrally, which makes a massive difference (particularly as the majority of Windows start up bloat is the plethora of third party update managers)


Have you seen the number of services running on an Ubuntu or Fedora install? Quite a few, some I don't even know why they are there ... bluetooth device manager even when there is no bluetooth devices etc.

I have one update manager (for Adobe Reader), running on my system. Everything else is done via Windows Update ... that is Drivers, Office, SQL Server, VS 2010 ... Everything else checks when the app starts up.

I will say that in all fairness, an experienced user can keep even XP running stable for years without a re-install and the state of things have definitely got better with Win7. However I still think there is lots of room for improvement - and I mean that on both Windows and Linux.


Yeah there is, but the OP said that Windows had the problem ... I contest that buy saying they all have their problems.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Actually my nettop XP install is from 2004, my Win 7 gaming PC install is 2009, neither has ever needed reinstall thanks to my secret which is.....don't install crappy software! I know, its a concept and i'm sure heartbroken over those kitty screensavers i missed out on, but that's the price of having a rock solid Windows i suppose.

For those that would like a butt simple and cheap (or free depending on which Windows version you are on) way to set up windows and never have to worry about it here is the way. 1.-On first install go to ninite.com, pick any freeware you need and grab Avast free while you are there, 2.- go download Comodo dragon for a browser (you can use Chromium if you prefer, but i like the extra security features of the dragon) 3.-Install filehippo update checker which will take care of third party software updates, 4.- and finally the part that may cost money but is free if you're on XP as there is an old version they give away free, and that is Tuneup Utilities. It cleans the junk that ends up building in the registry during uninstalls and much more. you can get Glary at ninite if you don't mind doing it manually, but TuneUp has better features and does a better job IMHO and by default is fully automated.

Tada! you know how a Windows PC that is pretty much as easy to use as a toaster. it'll clean and take care of itself, Avast and Comodo keep out any nasties, its all easy peasy simple. if you are paranoid and want your machine to be unbreakable short of hardware failure you can add Comodo Time Machine for free and that way if little suzy manages to bork the OS so bad it won't even boot you just push the home key on startup and in 20 minutes you're back like nothing ever happened. See how easy that is? Certainly easier than playing forum hunt when Linux borks your wireless and with this even the most clueless are safe as houses while power users have a good running machine they never have to fiddle with, it all "just works" and keeps on working, year after year, oh and with TuneUp there is no "WinRot" which I've found is caused by badly written third party uninstallers leaving bad pointers in the reg. Enjoy!

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I used to run a stripped XP build as well, now I just run Vanilla 7, much better than it used to be. However people seem to think that Windows was exactly the same as it was 10 years ago.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Clearly it doesn't "just work" if you had to list off a dozen third party apps required to keep your OS running. :p

Plus how are new users supposed to know all that? Usually that would end up being via the same methods which Linux users would navigate too when troubleshooting. So don't start spouting garbage about how Linux requires a learning curve to be a stable OS when you just listed of a page of prerequisites which Windows users need to know.

Any OS requires a degree of education. As hard as MS, Apple and Canonical try, computers are a complicated beast. It's akin to giving someone a car and expecting them to drive it without any lessons.

In fact, this problem i have with fanboys in any camp (be that Linux, Apple or Windows) as they assume their method is the best and no other OS works. Clearly that's not true otherwise Linux (for example) wouldn't be used on millions of desktops worldwide.

Now I think I've been more than fair because I've tried not to let my personal preference colour my comments on here. So please show me the same respect and don't fob me off with false pre-tenses.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26



Have you seen the number of services running on an Ubuntu or Fedora install? Quite a few, some I don't even know why they are there ... bluetooth device manager even when there is no bluetooth devices etc.

But those services you listed on Linux are not update managers. They're just normal system services and you'd expect to see them on Windows as well (have you ever opened the system services control panel applet and seen the number of windows services that run even on a minimal install?).

Any sufficiently advanced OS will have a multitude of daemons / services running - that applies to both Windows and Linux and thus not something I was ever arguing against. However you specifically referred to update managers and stated that Linux suffers from multiple 3rd party update managers - which it does not. I'm not levelling criticism against Windows nor praising Linux, I'm just pointing out that your original statement was incorrect.

I have one update manager (for Adobe Reader), running on my system. Everything else is done via Windows Update ... that is Drivers, Office, SQL Server, VS 2010 ... Everything else checks when the app starts up.

That's not the default action though (you have to enable non-OS support to get things like Office to update automatically via Window Update manager) plus that only works with Microsoft software.



Yeah there is, but the OP said that Windows had the problem ... I contest that buy saying they all have their problems.

Indeed they do. This we agree on.

Edited 2012-01-08 11:57 UTC

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