Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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RE[6]: Slow down?
by Neolander on Sat 7th Jan 2012 13:06 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Slow down?"
Neolander
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2010-03-08

I personally use MyDefrag (formerly JkDefrag), and it does its job well enough although I miss its predecessor's extremely straightforward UI. But that's not what I was referring to in the parent post.

My ext3 and ext4-based Linux installs have never reached a level of fragmentation that forces me to manually defragment them. They stay constantly at something like 1% fragmentation, and apparently it's not a 1% that matters much for overall OS performance.

Yet it doesn't seem like they have to perform any scheduled defragmentation/maintenance tasks, save for the occasional fsck that has become extremely quick in ext4. So I have to wonder what it is on Windows that requires regular defragmentation to be performed for good HDD performance to be achieved.

Either there is something fundamentally wrong in the NTFS spec, or Windows' file management routines are very badly written. I don't know enough about either to conclude. However, since implementation mistakes are relatively easy to fix in software, I'd spontaneously believe that after so many NT releases, if something could be fixed in Windows' code without a breach of software compatibility, it would be fixed by now. So I assume that NTFS is the problem.

Edited 2012-01-07 13:11 UTC

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RE[7]: Slow down?
by WereCatf on Sat 7th Jan 2012 15:37 in reply to "RE[6]: Slow down?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Yet it doesn't seem like they have to perform any scheduled defragmentation/maintenance tasks, save for the occasional fsck that has become extremely quick in ext4. So I have to wonder what it is on Windows that requires regular defragmentation to be performed for good HDD performance to be achieved.


I have been using Windows 7 for over a year now, without reinstallations and I actually tried running defrag a few weeks ago out of curiosity. Well, I had 1% fragmentation, no need to run it, even though I've been installing loads of games and applications and whatnot throughout the year.

As such I do not believe that either applies to current Windows.

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RE[8]: Slow down?
by Neolander on Sat 7th Jan 2012 16:09 in reply to "RE[7]: Slow down?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

In their default configuration, Windows Vista and up are set up to run defrag automatically in the background as a scheduled task : http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/01/25/disk-defragmentation-...

Edited 2012-01-07 16:12 UTC

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RE[8]: Slow down?
by bassbeast on Mon 9th Jan 2012 02:04 in reply to "RE[7]: Slow down?"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

I too have a ton of games on my Win 7 which has been running since Oct 09 (have replaced just about every part but the HDDs and only needed a single reactivation when i switched boards) and counting Steam games you're looking at over 100Gb of games and the highest i've had it fragment was 4%, big whoop. And I just checked tuneup and while it has been cleaning out some dead reg entries where I beat games and tossed them it hasn't needed to defrag yet so I'd say Windows has the frag problem licked pretty much.

Of course the sad part to me is how many won't believe it, same as i quit hanging around any sites where Linux users may congregate because i got tired of hearing "Windows constantly BSODs ZOMG!" like its still 1993. That would be like saying Linux doesn't have anything but a kernel since Torvalds only recently put it up on IRQ!

So lets resolve to bury some of the old FUD in 2012, kay? windows doesn't BSOD daily, you don't run as an admin, it doesn't get infected by turning it on , you don't have to hunt for driver discs (Windows Update now takes care of drivers) and it doesn't take a supercomputer to run win 7, in fact my oldest is running it quite well on a 6 year old Pentium D with 1.5Gb of RAM.

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