Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Jan 2012 17:31 UTC
Legal And yet another major Android vendor will pay protection money to Microsoft. "Microsoft and LG Electronics have signed a patent agreement that provides broad coverage under Microsoft's patent portfolio for LG's tablets, mobile phones and other consumer devices running the Android or Chrome OS Platform. The contents of the agreement have not been disclosed." You know your technology sector is terminally ill when this sort of bullshit is considered normal.
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despicable behavior
by SonicMetalMan on Thu 12th Jan 2012 18:18 UTC
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2009-05-25

I am deeply sickened by the behavior typified by both Apple and Microsoft with the patent trolling. It is quite sad that that neither company feels that innovation can be driven by fair competition. After all, the Macintosh would have never existed had it not been influenced by PARC. Windows would have never existed had it not been influenced by the Macintosh. So why are these companies behaving so badly today? May their execs all burn in Hell.

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RE: despicable behavior
by moondevil on Thu 12th Jan 2012 19:02 in reply to "despicable behavior"
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2005-07-08

One single reason money. Google is also to blame here for doing absolute nothing and acting as if it wasn't the company business to care about it.

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by Alfman on Thu 12th Jan 2012 20:10 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Could google truly afford to indemnify all of the android manufacturers if they wanted to? It's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking whether they could afford it?

This chart shows just how weak google's defensive mobile patent position is compared to those they'd be trying to help.
http://www.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/patent1.jpg

google's share of mobile patent leverage is downright minuscule.

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by Stephen! on Thu 12th Jan 2012 21:14 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

One single reason money. Google is also to blame here for doing absolute nothing and acting as if it wasn't the company business to care about it.


Maybe they're just not in a position to do much until the Moterola Mobility acquisition is finalized and they have the patents from that.

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by Beta on Fri 13th Jan 2012 04:26 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
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2005-07-06

What can they do in this position? Sue for one company making agreements with another company? Microsoft have been vague enough, apart from highlighting patents, and Android, that Google would have little recourse…

Apart from notifying the DoJ of anti‐trust & anti‐competitive behaviour, but can you do that on just a rumour of large charges? You need evidence…

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RE: despicable behavior
by lucas_maximus on Thu 12th Jan 2012 21:11 in reply to "despicable behavior"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I am deeply sickened by the behavior typified by both Apple and Microsoft with the patent trolling. It is quite sad that that neither company feels that innovation can be driven by fair competition. After all, the Macintosh would have never existed had it not been influenced by PARC. Windows would have never existed had it not been influenced by the Macintosh. So why are these companies behaving so badly today? May their execs all burn in Hell.


Why do you guys always think that businesses should play fair? I don't ... I know that part of the equation of me doing a deal with them is that I get screwed a little bit, I just choose to get screwed less.

Have you heard the expressions

"All is fair in love and war"?

and

"Don't hate the player, hate the game"

Basically capitalism works very much like evolution, those that adapt quickest will survive, those that don't will end up like Dinosaurs.

Google only care about their services getting used on these devices. They don't care about the OS or the fact that Microsoft are using patents to demand royalties.

Also do you honestly think that none of the Microsoft Patents won't stand up in court? These companies can afford to fight a legal case with Microsoft, the reason they don't is that

1) it isn't economically viable, when they are selling these devices for almost £500-600, $15 (£9) is worth it.
2) Microsoft might actually have valid patents.

If you want to win you gotta play Dirty. Argentina won the 1986 world cup thanks to the "hand of god" (look it up).

Edited 2012-01-12 21:16 UTC

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by Fergy on Thu 12th Jan 2012 21:30 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Why do you guys always think that businesses should play fair? I don't ... I know that part of the equation of me doing a deal with them is that I get screwed a little bit, I just choose to get screwed less.

In a democracy the people decide. So we should all hold these businesses to our rules. A business should do all it can to make money within our rules.

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by r_a_trip on Thu 12th Jan 2012 21:32 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Lucas, if you really think that way, my condolences. What a bleak and cold world to live in.

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by edvim on Thu 12th Jan 2012 21:59 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
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2010-03-12

>> Why do you guys always think that businesses should play fair?
I disagree. In a civilized society 'playing fair' is the ultimate goal. Corruption and dictatorship in any community should never be encouraged or supported. Simply because some regressive aspect was culturally acceptable in our history is a very weak argument. There are reasons why we no longer view feudalism or slavery as a part of a modern society.

>> Basically capitalism works very much like evolution.
Well, sadly America's new version of capitalism does work like evolution, and the result is becoming very obvious it cannot sustain itself longer than a handful of generations. However, true fair-market capitalism, what we falsely claimed to endorse is a very different economic model.

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by Alfman on Thu 12th Jan 2012 22:09 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,


"Why do you guys always think that businesses should play fair? I don't ... I know that part of the equation of me doing a deal with them is that I get screwed a little bit, I just choose to get screwed less."

Ethically the world probably would be better off if everyone always played fairly. But companies get greedy and see opportunity in playing unfairly, and so they take unfair advantages to get ahead and even become role models. Their ethical failures are justified in the name of capitalism.


"Basically capitalism works very much like evolution, those that adapt quickest will survive, those that don't will end up like Dinosaurs."

I would say that of a meritocracy, but not of capitalism. Under capitalism, money begets money, probably more than abilities do.

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by unclefester on Fri 13th Jan 2012 07:48 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13


1) it isn't economically viable, when they are selling these devices for almost £500-600, $15 (£9) is worth it.


You have to be kidding. Only a handful of high end Android devices (eg Samsung Galaxy S2) are anywhere near $800-1000 to purchase outright. Most devices are well under $500. Many are only $100-200. Some of the Huawei models are under $100 (unlocked Huawei X1 = $70).

$15 represents the entire profit margin of virtually any low end models.

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RE: despicable behavior
by tomcat on Thu 12th Jan 2012 22:48 in reply to "despicable behavior"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

I am deeply sickened by the behavior typified by both Apple and Microsoft with the patent trolling. It is quite sad that that neither company feels that innovation can be driven by fair competition. After all, the Macintosh would have never existed had it not been influenced by PARC. Windows would have never existed had it not been influenced by the Macintosh. So why are these companies behaving so badly today? May their execs all burn in Hell.


Or, put another way, it's a shame that Google is using technology patented by Microsoft and Apple...

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RE[2]: despicable behavior
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 12th Jan 2012 22:56 in reply to "RE: despicable behavior"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Or, put another way, it's a shame that Google is using technology patented by Microsoft and Apple...


I'm fairly sure that OSNews, as a site, probably violates AT LEAST 500 different software patents.

We can't pay licences, and we don't even have the resources to negotiate all those deals. We don't have the means to perform a patent investigation, nor to develop around them. Should we just cease to exist?

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