Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Jan 2012 22:54 UTC
FreeBSD Some people already submitted this news last week, but it wasn't until today that it became official: the FreeBSD team has announced the release of FreeBSD version 9.0. As you may expect from the major version number change, this is releas eis packed with new stuff.
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RE: FSF-like Ideology against GPL
by kaiwai on Thu 12th Jan 2012 23:58 UTC in reply to "FSF-like Ideology against GPL"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

You need to watch the LLVM video regarding FreeBSD - it has nothing to do with 'loving' or 'hating' anything but the reality that there are some companies that use FreeBSD which have a no GPL3 or GPL policy and thus it is one area that needs to be addressed.

http://llvm.org/devmtg/2011-11/

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Great some strange quicktime movie that my mplayer won't play (Apple.com videos work)
So I guess it is true, every FreeBSD developer uses OSX as their desktop.-


Works perfectly fine in VLC - MOV is a QuickTime container where the source code is open source and freely to be used by anyone, it can hold pretty much any sort of CODEC inside it with the most popular being h264. There is a bug in ffmpeg/mplayer that has existed for years but there has never been the motivation to actually fix it which is why you're having the problems you're having now. In an ideal world the LLVM maintainers should have stuck with m4v/mp4.

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0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

Great some strange quicktime movie that my mplayer won't play (Apple.com videos work)
So I guess it is true, every FreeBSD developer uses OSX as their desktop.-


It plays fine here with VLC, Xine, MPlayer and ffplay.

As if MPlayer is the only media player. Get a clue.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Same here. Unfortunately, Linux still sucks at playing non-flash video. It's very hit and miss.

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0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

You need to watch the LLVM video regarding FreeBSD - it has nothing to do with 'loving' or 'hating' anything but the reality that there are some companies that use FreeBSD which have a no GPL3 or GPL policy and thus it is one area that needs to be addressed.


The project needs an up to date and maintainable compiler/toolchain that meets the projects requirements and with GCC past 4.2.1/binutils past 2.17 that is no longer possible. It's a much bigger issue than just some companies having an issue with GPL'd code.

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Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24


The project needs an up to date and maintainable compiler/toolchain that meets the projects requirements and with GCC past 4.2.1/binutils past 2.17 that is no longer possible. It's a much bigger issue than just some companies having an issue with GPL'd code.

Stop with the bs, the ONLY reason the BSD's didn't upgrade past 4.2.1 is because of the GPLv3 licence and as others have already stated this was because of companies supporting BSD having a 'no GPLv3 policy' (most likely due to the TIVO-ization clause).

Also this relates to what the BSD's ship with, all later GCC versions have been readily available through ports so those who have no problem with GPLv3 and wants to enjoy benefits of later versions like better optimization/faster compilation can get them.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

it has nothing to do with 'loving' or 'hating' anything

The hate I'm observing here lies within the GNU camp. And I must say, after being away from OSNews for a while... I'm shocked. Not that things were all sunshine and roses in the old days. But in this thread, at least, it seems even uglier than in the old days. This new crop of GNU zealots are absolutely hateful. But they don't even confront people publicly. They just sit in the shadows and silently mod thoughtful posts down.

We don't seem to have private messaging on OSNews any more. So the public forum will have to do. I note that you seem to have moved. Last we spoke, I believe you had just been through the earthquake. Hope all is well with you.

-Steve

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Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

But in this thread, at least, it seems even uglier than in the old days.

And you are as usual one of the ugliest, you complain about GNU zelots hating when you are in fact someone who has a long record here on OSNews of making hateful posts against FSF and Mozilla.

You are exactly that which you complain about, so if OSNews has become worse since you were away, then certainly even worse now that you are back.

And don't even start with the 'modding down' crap, 52% of your 1923 comment votes have been done to mod a comment down. Again you are truly the problem which you pretend to despise.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The hate I'm observing here lies within the GNU camp. And I must say, after being away from OSNews for a while... I'm shocked. Not that things were all sunshine and roses in the old days. But in this thread, at least, it seems even uglier than in the old days. This new crop of GNU zealots are absolutely hateful. But they don't even confront people publicly. They just sit in the shadows and silently mod thoughtful posts down.

We don't seem to have private messaging on OSNews any more. So the public forum will have to do. I note that you seem to have moved. Last we spoke, I believe you had just been through the earthquake. Hope all is well with you.


Meh for me I come here occasionally, make a post then bugger off for a few days then come back to see if there is any more interesting news that I might be interested in. The fact that people make claims that a project makes a decision based on 'love' or 'hate' really shows how disconnected they are from these projects and the fact that those making the decision do so on the basis of something pragmatic and reasonable and not emotionally drive.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No, its GPL3 only that people have an issue with. If it was just GPL, they wouldn't already be using FreeBSD as it has GPL V2 code already in it.

But thanks for the link that was pretty decent. Actually worth the time it took to watch it, which is pretty dang rare for web videos.

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

So a few companies effectively decide what ends up in the FreeBSD "project".

Interesting.

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0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

So a few companies effectively decide what ends up in the FreeBSD "project".


Wrong. The developers do.

Edited 2012-01-13 16:18 UTC

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