Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Jan 2012 22:54 UTC
FreeBSD Some people already submitted this news last week, but it wasn't until today that it became official: the FreeBSD team has announced the release of FreeBSD version 9.0. As you may expect from the major version number change, this is releas eis packed with new stuff.
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obsidian
Member since:
2007-05-12

Hi bassbeast - have you tried Linux Mint? It is renowned for its user-friendliness.
I use it and am very happy with it. It has a graphical tool (Synaptic) for installing apps.
I'd definitely recommend it if you haven't tried it.

Edited 2012-01-13 02:16 UTC

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I think the point he is making is that brain dead people with jobs that drain the life out of them aren't interested in learning anything about an OS. So they buy Windows boxes from him, and the MS ecosystem allows their Win98, WinXP, etc. systems to limp along for about 10 years after the product should have died. There's definitely money in that, if you know how to extract it.

I don't think he's talking about people who would like Mint, else they'd have found it themselves.

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sithlord2 Member since:
2009-04-02

I think the point he is making is that brain dead people with jobs that drain the life out of them aren't interested in learning anything about an OS.


Isn't that a bit harsh? Just because they have other priorities in life, doesn't make them braindead.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Yes I have, I tried my "Is it safe?" test and it puked on its sound and the wireless. Oh and the DE ended up with this weird bug where half of the time any changes in the network manager wouldn't "stick" past a reboot and ONLY would stick if the changes were done via CLI which is right out.

So far I have tried Ubuntu/Mint, PCLOS, Mepis, Fedora (I know its bleeding edge but I got tired of being told "Use Distro X" so I did it just to prove it would fail) Puppy and one other I can't recall off the top of my head. basically everything listed as "User friendly" I've done tried and watched as it puked on its own drivers and died hard when upgraded/dated to current.

The simple fact is I need a free OS that will last 6-8 years either on a single install WITH security updates (none of this "Linux is magical and doesn't need security patches" craziness like they tried to sell me on Linux Insider) or it HAS to be able to do in place GUI upgrades without puking and dying. I have tried ALL of the above and not a single one ended up with 100% functionality even when using a lousy 3 years as a metric, much less the 6-8 years that is the average lifetime of a desktop in this area.

Its kinda sad though that here we are in the start of the "great XP dieoff" where millions of frankly insanely overpowered desktops and laptops are being sold for pennies on the dollar and I can't find a single free OS that will pass muster. I have been told every kind of BS from "Linux doesn't need security updates" (Lie) to "You should teach your users to embrace the power of CLI" like its the fricking force (not happening as normal users don't want to be programmers) to "You must be a M$ Ninja!" for daring to point out that the Koolaid is bitter and the support situation is horrible.

The average Windows gets 10-12 years of support (XP-2001-2014, Win 7 -2009-2020) so lets split that in half and say...ohh 6 years. Show me ANY free OS that I can either get 6 years worth of patches WITHOUT upgrading or if I must do the upgrade deathmarch show me one that can get 6 years worth of in place upgrades without puking on its own drivers and committing suicide. My users aren't gonna learn bash programming or do forum hunts which are beyond their skillset, so if you think FOSS is ready for the desktop here is your chance. i'm giving you a typical home user with typical requirements, provide them with a working solution that will not end up costing MORE than simply buying a new Windows license. I wish you luck because so far nobody has been willing to step up to the plate.

As for me it looks like I'm gonna have to scramble to find someone who will sell me OEM Win 7 Starter or embrace piracy like many of the other shops because I can't sell machines that are gonna need a wipe and reinstall that may or may not puke on the user' files and settings every 6 months. Don't say it can't either because I have a Linux admin friend that has given up on Linux and is looking at Mac after the last OpenSUSE upgrade puked on her system and wiped out 3 years worth of emails.

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Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

Haven't you heard of Red Hat linux distro?

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blackjw Member since:
2008-06-25

Don't say it can't either because I have a Linux admin friend that has given up on Linux and is looking at Mac after the last OpenSUSE upgrade puked on her system and wiped out 3 years worth of emails.


Never heard of backups?

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