Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Jan 2012 22:54 UTC
FreeBSD Some people already submitted this news last week, but it wasn't until today that it became official: the FreeBSD team has announced the release of FreeBSD version 9.0. As you may expect from the major version number change, this is releas eis packed with new stuff.
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RE[3]: hm...
by sbergman27 on Fri 13th Jan 2012 07:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: hm..."
sbergman27
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2005-07-24

At the end of the day it's up to the actual programmers writing the code, or those paying them to write it to decide which licence to use.

How uncharacteristically reasonable of you. I agree.

I respect the author's right to choose whatever license he or she deems appropriate. Even a proprietary one.

As a user I certainly prefer GPL or LGPL. But I'm perfectly cool with any Free license, even if some might find it too permissive.

I find myself caring less about the details of the Free licence, and more about whether the author is treating the OSes I use as second class citizens or not. Hence my concerns about Mozilla, which you referenced earlier. Having been a Unix/Linux guy since 1988, for both desktop and server, I've had about enough of being treated as a second class citizen.

That's why I am particularly scornful when I see users and devs of kindred OSes, like FreeBSD, viewed as somehow being second class.

I'm quite happy to see FreeBSD doing well. Such sentiments seem to upset some people. And I'm not entirely sure why. It doesn't make much sense.

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RE[4]: hm...
by Valhalla on Fri 13th Jan 2012 08:02 in reply to "RE[3]: hm..."
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24


How uncharacteristically reasonable of you. I agree.

That has always been my stance on the subject, as you can easily see by any other posts I've made on the subject.

and more about whether the author is treating the OSes I use as second class citizens or not. Hence my concerns about Mozilla, which you referenced earlier.

'Concerns'.. lol. Also as I recall it the big gripe you had (atleast only one I've seen) with Mozilla was that you hated how they wouldn't allow distro versions of Firefox to use the name Firefox (which to me makes perfect sense), then you gave your support to Chrome which did the exact same thing (Chrome - Chromium) indicating that whatever Mozilla did to create that huge animosity you have against them likely wasn't that.

I'm quite happy to see FreeBSD doing well. Such sentiments seem to upset some people.

Certainly not me, my favourite (and hopefully future day to day OS) is Haiku and I've never understood why some people despise it, sometimes for what seems like nothing but the fact that it exists.

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RE[5]: hm...
by sbergman27 on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:10 in reply to "RE[4]: hm..."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

This is more or less spilled milk over the dam at this point. But the way the newly formed Mozilla Corp handled the situation with Debian was pretty cheesy. They didn't really even give Debian time to do anything. It was more or less "Cease and Desist" right off the bat. Likewise, Mozilla's cavalier treatment of the very reasonable objections of the Firebird Database devs, whose project name Mozilla stole, left something to be desired. And then there is the continued treatment of non-Windows OSes as 2nd class citizens.

Of course, there are no doubt some number of other lower profile examples I won't bother to go into. It's really not worth the research time.

In the first 2 cases, Mozilla acted wrongly. In the 3rd, it's simply a matter of not wanting to support a project that doesn't care that much about the OSes I use at home and at work. Especially when the Chrome/Chromium devs view Linux as their premier platform.

I do believe in calling a spade a spade. I think you are mistaking that for some sort of vendetta. I don't waste time fretting about such things, these days.

I am, however, perceiving that you harbor some sort of vendetta against me, personally. Unfortunate. But I don't fret over that kind of thing, either.

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