Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:57 UTC
ilovebeer
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2011-08-08

People are still crying over the fact that "Made for Windows 8" pre-installed systems are intended and supposedly "locked" to Windows 8. It's as stupid as buying a microwave and being mad that it doesn't wash your dishes too. You're buying a product designed and intended for a specific purpose, yet you're pissing yourself because you supposedly can't do things outside the realm of that design and intent... The's the one very basic point some people are struggling to grasp. It's pretty funny, only not.

Further, I don't know why people crap their pants over this "news". Until the devices are out and in peoples hands to use/manipulate, you don't know what's possible with them. Stop pre-ejaculating and just take your time -- let the story unravel as it will -- it may turn out all your panic is for nothing.

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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:03 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Stop pre-ejaculating and just take your time -- let the story unravel as it will -- it may turn out all your panic is for nothing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXl1GkWWGmA

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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by daveidixon on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:08 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
daveidixon Member since:
2006-01-01

It's as stupid as buying a microwave and being mad that it doesn't wash your dishes too. You're buying a product designed and intended for a specific purpose, yet you're pissing yourself because you supposedly can't do things outside the realm of that design and intent...

Well, Arm devices have the potential to run more things that Windows 8, Microwaves don't have the potential to wash dishes (at least mine certainly doesn't)


Further, I don't know why people crap their pants over this "news". Until the devices are out and in peoples hands to use/manipulate, you don't know what's possible with them. Stop pre-ejaculating and just take your time -- let the story unravel as it will -- it may turn out all your panic is for nothing.

I agree

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by JAlexoid on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:23 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

let the story unravel as it will

Yes, let the story unravel as it will. Any other nihilistic statements you want to agree to?

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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by M.Onty on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:10 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

A Microwave can cook food with microwaves. It can't do anything else. A Turing Complete computer is not "built for a specific purpose", it is general purpose.

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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by Alfman on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:13 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

ilovebeer,

Do companies have a right to impose vendor locked computing devices on their customers? Possibly (it's questionable when a monopoly does it). However we can't ignore the benefits of open computing either. Just because open computing may not be relevant to you, that does not make it irrelevant to others like myself. We have a right to be concerned and to speak up about it. The public deserves to know what they're buying into.

Edited 2012-01-13 17:26 UTC

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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by shotsman on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:19 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

If we wait until we see the devices it will be too late.
Microsoft will have won.
The likes of Dell, HP and virtually every other manufacturer will have already signed up for their protection racket.

What need to happen is that there will be enough of an outcry against this that the manufacturers will think long and hard about going along with Microsoft.

Once devices with this functionality are out there, the ability to change things will be lost forever.
Then if a group of linux fanbois hack the devices thus alowing them to boot something other than Windows they will be hit so hard with a gazillion lawsuits than no one will dare to ever try again UNLESS, say 30,000 people all do it at the same time.
Look at the tactics that saw the downfall of the government in Egypt. Mass disobediance. 1776 anyone?
The only way to succeed will be if enough people break it at the same time.
Now I'll sit back and wait for the men in suits & shaded to come a knocking.

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by lucas_maximus on Fri 13th Jan 2012 18:46 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Microsoft MUST DIE!!

Look dude the future of computing is going to be "products", people don't care about this crap, they buy a product.

My Mother and Father can't even explain my job to her friends nor understand the concept of copy and paste.

These Tablets might be computers in the traditional sense ... but you know what else has computers in them, Washing Machines, TVs, Dishwashers, Cars, Aircraft ... they are sold as a complete artefact, this is what tablets and phones are sold as.

I don't see you guys up in arms about how your Chrysler is running a version of Unix and you can't install a version of Ubuntu.

I would be upset if the same thing were to happen with Desktop PCs or Traditional Laptops ... but it won't because Software dev needs to happen and these will become the "business machines".

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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by darseex on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:34 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
darseex Member since:
2010-12-06

Your analogy sucks. Here's a better one:

Imagine that 95%+ of all microwaves ever made were bought off by Pizza Hut to disallow anything other than reheating cold pizza. From a technical standpoint, there's no difference between these 'pizza-only' microwaves and the ones we have now, other than the new limitation on types of food you're allowed to cook with it.

This would naturally be touted as a feature -- no longer will you accidentally burn the roof of your mouth with Hot Pockets. It's safe and secure.

Naturally, nobody would like this turn of events other than Pizza Hut, but hey, they include a Pizza Hut logo on the box, so what right have we to complain?

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v RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by lucas_maximus on Fri 13th Jan 2012 18:48 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"