Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by shotsman on Fri 13th Jan 2012 17:19 UTC in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
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If we wait until we see the devices it will be too late.
Microsoft will have won.
The likes of Dell, HP and virtually every other manufacturer will have already signed up for their protection racket.

What need to happen is that there will be enough of an outcry against this that the manufacturers will think long and hard about going along with Microsoft.

Once devices with this functionality are out there, the ability to change things will be lost forever.
Then if a group of linux fanbois hack the devices thus alowing them to boot something other than Windows they will be hit so hard with a gazillion lawsuits than no one will dare to ever try again UNLESS, say 30,000 people all do it at the same time.
Look at the tactics that saw the downfall of the government in Egypt. Mass disobediance. 1776 anyone?
The only way to succeed will be if enough people break it at the same time.
Now I'll sit back and wait for the men in suits & shaded to come a knocking.

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by lucas_maximus on Fri 13th Jan 2012 18:46 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
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Microsoft MUST DIE!!

Look dude the future of computing is going to be "products", people don't care about this crap, they buy a product.

My Mother and Father can't even explain my job to her friends nor understand the concept of copy and paste.

These Tablets might be computers in the traditional sense ... but you know what else has computers in them, Washing Machines, TVs, Dishwashers, Cars, Aircraft ... they are sold as a complete artefact, this is what tablets and phones are sold as.

I don't see you guys up in arms about how your Chrysler is running a version of Unix and you can't install a version of Ubuntu.

I would be upset if the same thing were to happen with Desktop PCs or Traditional Laptops ... but it won't because Software dev needs to happen and these will become the "business machines".

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Isn't the UEFI issue being discussed here related to ARM based ultrabooks not tablets? And why, after plunking down money to buy the hardware, should a device owner not be able to opt-out of secure boot and apply whatever OS they choose to it? Your grandma won't be installing an alternative OS; great, why should that limit the computing functionality for those who would? Why should your grandma's using the microwave to make popcorn only be an acceptable basis for stoping me from reheating a spot of lasagna?

I also find it intersting that you justify limiting everyone's computing experience based on the opinion of someone who can't even explain what you do for a living let alone understand the potential outcomes of hardware locked to a specific OS for no other effective reason than one companies profiteering strategy?

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by fithisux on Fri 13th Jan 2012 20:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
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Microsoft MUST DIE!!

I long for this day.

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RE[3]: Comment by ilovebeer
by terrakotta on Sun 15th Jan 2012 11:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer"
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As you stated yourself, software development has to happen. It has to happen for these devices too, which means that you have to be able to test your software on it. Or will only select developers be allowed to test-run their software on these devices (by extra costs of course)? Selling these products as a whole has nothing to do with locking those users in place. If you have an open system, someone not interested in developing/the open character of it, will not open up the system. But somebody who is, should be able to. How else are you going to educate your students? By only buying very expensive development boards, or by buying cheap mass-manufactured systems that are open enough to hack on? Electrical/electronical systems are not magical, perhaps they are more abstract and more difficult for the average user, but a user should be able to change his payed-for products to his needs if he wants to. If you remove this possibility, your entire education system is drained down the loo, because most of the time people get interested in software development by tinkering, playing and breaking things, and as you said, software development has to happen.

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