Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Reuse. I often fix other people's computers for them, recently I've been able to convince a number of them to give Fedora + KDE a try as I'm able to promise them a virus free lifestyle computer that can surf the web and do basic office tasks.


Oh great you give them an OS that is unsupported after a year ... brilliant!

While I might agree on the fact that if most people are just using Facebook and checking emails that is alright. But the moment they want to connect iPods, mobile phones, use third party services like Spotify they are SOL.

I don't want to have a go at you too much because I think you are alright.

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ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

Libre Linux products like Fedora are never really "out of support". It's not as if the commercial OS help desks actually help much, and the open alternatives have excellent on-line support. Nor are license keys ever required. Security patches are the only concern, and Linux exploits are fairly rare compared to Windows.

Long ago I installed Ubuntu on a small laptop for a friend. She showed me a website recently on that laptop, and I noticed a big red exclamation point in the top panel. Turns out the OS was more than a year out of support. She had basically shrugged and clicked past the warnings, because it just didn't seem to matter.

I updated here to 11.10 anyway.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

ricegf boasted....

Long ago I installed Ubuntu on a small laptop for a friend. She showed me a website recently on that laptop, and I noticed a big red exclamation point in the top panel. Turns out the OS was more than a year out of support. She had basically shrugged and clicked past the warnings, because it just didn't seem to matter.

I updated here to 11.10 anyway.


You total bastard! You installed Unity on a previously working installation of Gnome? How could you? I though this was a friend, not an enemy!? ;P

--bornagainpenguin

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Reuse. I often fix other people's computers for them, recently I've been able to convince a number of them to give Fedora + KDE a try as I'm able to promise them a virus free lifestyle computer that can surf the web and do basic office tasks.


Oh great you give them an OS that is unsupported after a year ... brilliant!

While I might agree on the fact that if most people are just using Facebook and checking emails that is alright. But the moment they want to connect iPods, mobile phones, use third party services like Spotify they are SOL.

I don't want to have a go at you too much because I think you are alright.
"

In my country, today, I can buy an ARM netbook and run Linux on it quite happily:

http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/products/configure.asp?c1=3&c2=1...

Although the OEM offers either WinCE or Android pre-installed, there is no reason why I couldn't run say Debian for ARM with KDE if I want to.

Contrary to your assumption, I would have absolutely no trouble connecting to iPods or iPhones if I happened to own any.

http://www.libimobiledevice.org/

As for Spotify, it is simply not available in Australia.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

lemur2 posted....

In my country, today, I can buy an ARM netbook and run Linux on it quite happily:

http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/products/configure.asp?c1=3&...

Although the OEM offers either WinCE or Android pre-installed, there is no reason why I couldn't run say Debian for ARM with KDE if I want to.


Awesome! Unfortunately the shipping from Australia to the US knocks in an additional 149 AUD making my total $359.171 USD according to conversions done by XE.com.. ;)

Still because I remember you from the BeOS days (you were the PhOS guy, weren't you?) I have to ask--how does running one of those "Dreambooks with a Linux distro handle? I figure you're probably the guy to ask.

--bornagainpengui

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

First point, It doesn't really matter to the discussion how good or bad any Linux Disto is. Even if it were the greatest OS ever put together, it wouldn't be possible to install on one of these ARM windows machines. Don't you see a problem with that?

Second, My friends are not idiots they can handle figuring out how to update Fedora. Sometimes we all just need a recomendation from a person more knowledgable in a field to take a leap of faith. Again, this move by Microsoft makes this impossible. And while I don't know of anyone who uses spotify, they do have a native linux client that I installed yesterday just to make sure it worked. For MP3 Players: Rythm Box works great.

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