Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

If the option is a locked ARM device running win8 or another "complete package" which does allow another OS, you can bet your baby I'll "buy something else".

The point is, there is no benefit to the end user with this scheme. It does not improve the security of the owner's information. Malware will still be affective as will social engineering attacks. The only benefit is Microsoft's limiting comptitive OS on general purpose hardware.


I hope you will buy something else and quit bitching about something that won't really affect you.

Many viruses and malware have gone back to installing themselves in the MBR ... so it does benefit the end user that don't know anything about computer security (which was the point I was trying to make about them not ever having to care how it works).

And your appeal to numbers argument regarding users who do not wish to understand how technology works; so what? Why should Bob not understanding how a TV works stop Fred from doing so? Why should it limit hardware reuse with lighter general purpose OS when win8 grows too heavy for the older geenration Ultrabooks? Why should tech support people be locked out of bootable tools when helping those who do not care how technology works but want it fixed "now, now, now, now!!"?


Windows 8 will use less resources and it won't grow "heavy" ... pretty much like Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows 7 and 8 (which uses less resources than 7 btw, I am running the platform preview .. so I actually use this stuff before shouting my mouth off)

There is nothing stopping Fred from learning about computers, it all over bloody Google. Linux my friend does not teach you how a computer works.

Not being able to install random OS != Restricting Information.

I am pretty sure that many of the strongest proponents of Linux won't be able to tell you the differences between pages and frames.

As for tech support, the person will just send it back to be fixed under warranty.

Edited 2012-01-13 19:34 UTC

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tonny Member since:
2011-12-22

Sigh.. You, mister, with your small world & anti-altruism..


I hope you will buy something else and quit bitching about something that won't really affect you.

Well, do you know that once a time people can't bought a computer that didn't come with windows pre-installed? YOU and OTHERS need it (the OS) doesn't mean WE, and OTHERS, need it.

Windows 8 will use less resources and it won't grow "heavy" ... pretty much like Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows 7 and 8 (which uses less resources than 7 btw, I am running the platform preview .. so I actually use this stuff before shouting my mouth off)

Yeah, right! Windows(TM) won't grow *heavy*, and I can live in Mars now. { Psst.. How much Microsoft been paying you for this statement? If the fee for blurting out this is OK, can I join in? }

There is nothing stopping Fred from learning about computers, it all over bloody Google. Linux my friend does not teach you how a computer works.

When I want to learn about computer's operating system, say, other OS beside MS Windows --with installing and examining it-- and at that time I can't get single computer or whatever that can't install and boot from that other OS, then how can I learn about computer's OS, Mr. Genius? And no.. I want it installed to the computer, not with some VM.
...And yes, my dear friend, linux teach you how a computer work.

Not being able to install random OS != Restricting Information.

Genius! How logic!


I am pretty sure that many of the strongest proponents of Linux won't be able to tell you the differences between pages and frames.

And what the connection between Linux and the Web scripting? Can you enlighten me?

As for tech support, the person will just send it back to be fixed under warranty.

And lied over cause you know nothing about thing you bought? Smart move, man!.


WAKE UP, wash ur face.
Try to socialize, will ya? And take a flight some time, go to place around the world, befriend with many-many people. Then you'll know that this world is much bigger than you know, with people that have different need [from you] in it.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

"I am pretty sure that many of the strongest proponents of Linux won't be able to tell you the differences between pages and frames.

And what the connection between Linux and the Web scripting? Can you enlighten me?
"

HAHAHAHA, you just proved my point ... more comically than I could hope to have achieved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_table

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andih Member since:
2010-03-27

"Linux my friend does not teach you how a computer works."

It sure taught me. Had to learn everything from the bottom and up.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06


I hope you will buy something else and quit bitching about something that won't really affect you.


Direct purchase is the only way one could ever be affected by this? Your precious.

Is it "bitching" because I don't agree with general purpose hardware being locked to a specific brand name of general purpose software or because I don't agree with your take on the situation?


Many viruses and malware have gone back to installing themselves in the MBR ... so it does benefit the end user that don't know anything about computer security (which was the point I was trying to make about them not ever having to care how it works).


We have MBR protection in the BIOS already and it remains under the control of the device owner not the vendor.

The risk is OS level code changing BIOS settings is it? So, tie that BIOS locked MBR to a physical dip-switch; now software can't affect it yet it still remains under the control of the device owner not the vendor.


Windows 8 will use less resources and it won't grow "heavy" ... pretty much like Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows 7 and 8 (which uses less resources than 7 btw, I am running the platform preview .. so I actually use this stuff before shouting my mouth off)


For win7 and eventually win8, sure, we'll see how those prove out. You included WinXP on the list though? Now I know your just poking fun; or you've never actually upgraded winXP Pre~SP1 to SP3+patches. Please, tell me the latter is true and I can have the pentest contract. Please, please, please.


There is nothing stopping Fred from learning about computers, it all over bloody Google. Linux my friend does not teach you how a computer works.


Sure, Fred may only be interested in theory and reading the inter-webs might be enough. Why should that limit Greg who does want to learn through direct experience? Greg wants to dig into the programming code and see how a kernel interacts with hardware; can't be done in a VM, can't be done with win8. But hey, let's limit everyone to Fred's level of interest.


Not being able to install random OS != Restricting Information.


It does, however, restrict owner's control over the device. Why should a device owner not be in control of there own purchased property? Do you have someone that restricts access to your own house keys; who locks and unlocks the front door for you "for your own good" (tm)?

Why should one person's choice to be locked out of there purchased property justify anyone else being locked out of personal property?


I am pretty sure that many of the strongest proponents of Linux won't be able to tell you the differences between pages and frames.


A reference to system memory; clever.

Again, why should one person not learning about system memory management through direct experience with the OS limit anything else there is to be learned?


As for tech support, the person will just send it back to be fixed under warranty.


There are so many situations where sending hardware back to the vendor is not acceptable that this statement of yours is outright laughable. I do hope you stand up at your local comedy club's open mic night.

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