Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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by Hiev on Fri 13th Jan 2012 20:12 UTC
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

Hey OEM vendors, the solution is simple, allow us to buy hardware w/o Windows installed.

Thank you.

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by twitterfire on Fri 13th Jan 2012 20:24 in reply to "..."
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

Hey OEM vendors, the solution is simple, allow us to buy hardware w/o Windows installed.

Thank you.


Oh, but you can. You can buy Apple Ipad, Motorola Xoom, Asus Transformer, Samsung Galaxy Tab, etc.

And guess what? I guess what, I think that it will be impossible to install Windows 8 on Ipad or galaxy Tab and nobody is enraged against Apple or Samsung.

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by dsmogor on Fri 13th Jan 2012 20:28 in reply to "RE: ..."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

I wouldn't be so sure with tablets. Of course as long as Microsoft decides decide to support such "conversion". Anyway they were very anxious to put windows on OLPC.
Besides I wouldn't generalize. There was huge outcry about locked bootloaders in those devices (Ipad aside).
Android upgrade woes can also be seen as an evidence people care what os choice they have with their devices.

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by Alfman on Fri 13th Jan 2012 20:49 in reply to "RE: ..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

twitterfire,

"And guess what? I guess what, I think that it will be impossible to install Windows 8 on Ipad or galaxy Tab and nobody is enraged against Apple or Samsung."

It's not hypocrisy, hackers (in the righteous sense of the word) do want computing devices to be open all around. Many of us do criticize apple over it's control too.


An inescapable difference though is that microsoft's locked bootloader implementation was drafted for and incorporated into UEFI, an industry-wide standard. This means it's going to be everywhere, not just on MS brand name devices. In my opinion this is much worse and much more alarming than locks in localized firmwares.

Edit: To re-iterate, the issue is having a UEFI standard which mandates inclusion of security features which can be abused to lock the owner out of their own hardware. I don't care who the controlling party is (MS or not), it's wrong that a standard would lock users out of their own computers.

Edited 2012-01-13 21:03 UTC

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by westlake on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:05 in reply to "..."
westlake Member since:
2010-01-07

Hey OEM vendors, the solution is simple, allow us to buy hardware w/o Windows installed.


Hey Geek. the OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for thirty years. We can make something of Android. Metro looks promising. Bare Bones doesn't sell worth spit.

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by dsmogor on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:12 in reply to "RE: ..."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

That really depends on country.

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