Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,

"Audiophiles already do this. They pay a premium for the extra 'audio' quality. Some results are amazing."

"I already do this for bicycle parts and I often buy components for my bicycle that are worth more than the bicycle itself...."

You're ability to tweak and upgrade your off the shelf audio/bike equipment is great (seriously), so why shouldn't we be able to enjoy the same sort of tinkering benefits with off the shelf computers?


Is it just a linux phobia or are you against installing any alternatives on off the shelf hardware?

What harm does it do you if others have control over their own computers?

I'm having trouble isolating your true motivation for speaking so ardently against open consumer technology, would you mind explaining it more directly?

Edited 2012-01-13 21:36 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

You're ability to tweak and upgrade your off the shelf audio/bike equipment is great (seriously), so why shouldn't we be able to enjoy the same sort of tinkering benefits with off the shelf computers?


Because I have already said they are becoming consumer devices not general purpose computers even though the hardware is essentially the same. They are marketed as that.


Is it just a linux phobia or are you against installing any alternatives on off the shelf hardware?


I honestly don't care what you do with your "own" hardware. I am oppose the bullshit FUD about Windows, that might have been relevant 10 years ago.

What harm does it do you if others have control over their own computers?


None

I'm having trouble isolating your true motivation for speaking so ardently against open consumer technology, would you mind explaining it more directly?


My argument is that it is being sold as a product. You are buying "Tablet X that happens to run Windows 8".

Buying an Android device that probably won't boot anything else is okay, an iPad/iPod/iPhone is fine ... but if it comes from Microsoft it is suddenly the death of computing as we know it.

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Edited 2012-01-13 22:24 UTC

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,

"Because I have already said they are becoming consumer devices not general purpose computers even though the hardware is essentially the same. They are marketed as that."

Ok, that's headway, your admitting that restricting bootloaders to windows is a marketing rather than technical reason.


"I honestly don't care what you do with your 'own' hardware."

Of course not, that's my point. What others do with their own hardware doesn't hurt you, so why are you lambasting us when we say we want consumer hardware to be unlocked?


"Buying an Android device that probably won't boot anything else is okay, an iPad/iPod/iPhone is fine ... but if it comes from Microsoft it is suddenly the death of computing as we know it."

So is this you're whole motivation for speaking against the open technology? Or is there more to it than that? Would you be ok with people who push for all tablet computing devices to be unlocked including apple, android, and microsoft?

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Most android devices can be rooted. Lots of them (the cheaper ones )aren't even locked at all). Besides as I said I'm afraid about effects of potential windows monopoly on tablet devices. With PC at least there's a way out. All I'm asking is the same for upcoming arm PCs standard devices.

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