Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 22:45 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Google It really hasn't been Google's week. First the entire internet exploded because of some uninteresting nonsense regarding social networking (really internet?), but today something happened that's actually a bad thing and worth talking about: in Kenya, Google has been caught accessing the databases of a competing business, and offering Google's own product to the people in the database. Google has already apologised, and is currently investigating the matter.
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RE: monopoly abuse
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 23:50 UTC in reply to "monopoly abuse"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

I personally think the fact that their obviously favoring their products in search is a much bigger deal.

If Microsoft did that everyone would be calling for their head but Google gets a free pass, really?

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Twitter pulled out of a deal with Google. Facebook is entirely closed off. Nw they are complaining about Google+? Pussies. The fact of the matter is that had Google included Twitter and Facebook data anyway, those two (and the anti-Google/pro-Apple standing army with them) would have screamed bloody murder *as well*.

This is such non-news.

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RE[2]: monopoly abuse
by David on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:27 in reply to "RE: monopoly abuse"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

It's such non-news that when you mentioned it, I didn't know what you were talking about, even though I read all about it a couple of days ago when it was the big story.

I agree with you. I think that Google would be happy to index all of Twitter and Facebook, but it makes strategic sense for Twitter and Facebook to exert more control over their ecosystems, and that's fine. But then you don't get to complain about Google favoring its own social network.

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RE[3]: monopoly abuse
by Tony Swash on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:46 in reply to "RE[2]: monopoly abuse"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

It's such non-news that when you mentioned it, I didn't know what you were talking about, even though I read all about it a couple of days ago when it was the big story.

I agree with you. I think that Google would be happy to index all of Twitter and Facebook, but it makes strategic sense for Twitter and Facebook to exert more control over their ecosystems, and that's fine. But then you don't get to complain about Google favoring its own social network.


I think it is a mistake to be sanguine about this.

Here is some interesting analysis

http://marketingland.com/schmidt-google-not-favored-happy-to-talk-t...

http://www.benedelman.org/news/011212-1.html

http://parislemon.com/post/15664060982/misdirection-doublespeak-non...

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RE[2]: monopoly abuse
by Tony Swash on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:38 in reply to "RE: monopoly abuse"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

"I personally think the fact that their obviously favoring their products in search is a much bigger deal.

If Microsoft did that everyone would be calling for their head but Google gets a free pass, really?

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Twitter pulled out of a deal with Google. Facebook is entirely closed off. Nw they are complaining about Google+? Pussies. The fact of the matter is that had Google included Twitter and Facebook data anyway, those two (and the anti-Google/pro-Apple standing army with them) would have screamed bloody murder *as well*.

This is such non-news.
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Your love fest with Google knows no bounds.

Google has one business model and one source of revenue: selling information about you (the product) to advertisers (the customer). If one stays focussed on the core business model of any company it is possible to understand their actions and impacts, buying into PR froth like "open versus closed" obscures rather than reveals.

Because of it's business model, selling information about you (the product) to advertisers (the customer), Google has ensure it has absolute access to all (repeat all) data about what everyone does on the web. In order to ensure that no one is collecting information it cannot access Google has done and will continue to do the following:

Use its monopoly search income to destroy other companies business model by offering a free alternative

Use its monopoly search income to buy out those collecting data that it wants

Use its monopoly of search to to apply intense pressure (the latest Google+ episode is a good example) on those who resist opening their kimonos for Google.

This is not a question of good or evil, it is a question of business models and impacts. I fear that, besotted by the freebies that Google tosses out (and they are lovely goodies), many fail to see that allowing Google to become the total owner of all user data on the web and to turn a blind eye as Google attacks and destroys those that block that process is short sighted. Google's business model, were it to achieve it's aim to become the universal intermediator of everyone (which it is quite close to achieving), will significantly undermine innovation. If companies and start-ups know that any web based innovation will bring Google breathing down their neck the moment that their work generates significant user data they will just not bother, or be in it merely to cash in if Google chooses to go the 'soft' route of a buy out.

If you really believe in an open web then Google is not a route to it.

http://brianshall.com/content/google-are-pussies-redux-and-you-owe-...

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RE[3]: monopoly abuse
by Radio on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:45 in reply to "RE[2]: monopoly abuse"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20


This article is so wrong I don't know where to begin. My goodness.

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RE[3]: monopoly abuse
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:47 in reply to "RE[2]: monopoly abuse"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Your love fest with Google knows no bounds.


-1 for trolling.

Look up the article history on OSNews. Heck, just check the Android review. I'm not going to read a comment that starts with that nonsense.

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RE[3]: monopoly abuse
by gan17 on Sat 14th Jan 2012 01:04 in reply to "RE[2]: monopoly abuse"
gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

Got chased away from DailyTech again, I see.

Your love fest with Google knows no bounds.


I agree that Thom does give the impression that he's a Goo-lover at times, but it pales in comparison to the butt-f*ck fest you have going on with Apple.

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RE[3]: monopoly abuse
by Soulbender on Sat 14th Jan 2012 03:51 in reply to "RE[2]: monopoly abuse"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Your love fest with Google knows no bounds.

Oh but it's but a drop in the ocean compared to your goatse bend-over for Apple.



Yes, nothing bolsters your case like linking to a random, ill-conceived and unsubstantiated rant on the internet.

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RE[3]: monopoly abuse
by BallmerKnowsBest on Sat 14th Jan 2012 15:42 in reply to "RE[2]: monopoly abuse"
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

If you really believe in an open web then Google is not a route to it.


So you're saying that in order to have an open web, we need have to user data locked up in silos. In other words, your Google anti-fanboyism is so single-minded that you blindly assume "it must be good if it's bad for Google."

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