Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 22:45 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Google It really hasn't been Google's week. First the entire internet exploded because of some uninteresting nonsense regarding social networking (really internet?), but today something happened that's actually a bad thing and worth talking about: in Kenya, Google has been caught accessing the databases of a competing business, and offering Google's own product to the people in the database. Google has already apologised, and is currently investigating the matter.
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RE: Do no evil
by JLF65 on Sat 14th Jan 2012 00:39 UTC in reply to "Do no evil"
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The MAIN POINT to consider here is these were PEOPLE IN KENYA that were responsible. That they happened to work for Google instead of someone else is the red herring. Corruption in Kenya is rampant, and it affects EVERYONE, even Google. If you RTFA, you would see that Google, the parent company, set up the sting that trapped their Kenyan employees who were doing this. So Google IS living up to their motto, even if the odd employee in places of extreme corruption are not.

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RE[2]: Do no evil
by sbergman27 on Sat 14th Jan 2012 02:10 in reply to "RE: Do no evil"
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Now, wait a minute. Before I respond to you, I would like to make sure that I understand your argument. IIRC, you are saying that Google (a company for which I have high respect) is not to blame. And that we shouldn't worry about having large amounts of valuable private information stored by them, because the *real* problem is that all those damn niggers in Kenya are corrupt.

Did I get that right? If so, I have some objections to your stance.

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RE[3]: Do no evil
by DoctorD on Sat 14th Jan 2012 04:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Do no evil"
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Spin doctor of the day!

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RE[3]: Do no evil
by earksiinni on Mon 16th Jan 2012 04:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Do no evil"
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I know that you probably think that you were being not racist or anti-racist by hyperbolically exposing what you saw as the latent racist intent of the preceding comment with an incredibly offensive and vulgar term, but in fact all you did was unnecessarily add a racial component that had no place whatsoever, neither in the conversation nor in the original poster's point.

As a matter of fact, Kenya is notorious for its endemic corruption at all levels of society and government; JLF65's point was that in a country with a culture of corruption, it is unsurprising that the local operations of foreign multinationals get bound up in that corruption. This is due to the endemic nature of the corruption in the country rather than the corruption of the company itself.

It's so obvious that that's what JLF65 is saying that it really makes me wonder why you are making a link between race and corruption. On the eve of a day (in the U.S., at least) meant to commemorate the memory of a great civil rights leader, maybe it should make you wonder, too.

P.S.: I have some sympathy if you are perhaps not an American or unfamiliar with the implications of that word you used to describe black Kenyans, but you should know that people generally find it not only offensive but personally hurtful whenever its used regardless of the speaker's intent, whether it be ironic or well-intentioned or not.

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RE[2]: Do no evil
by gan17 on Sat 14th Jan 2012 11:28 in reply to "RE: Do no evil"
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Assuming the "upper-echelons" at Google knew nothing about this, then I see your point, but that's what happens when you're a big-ass multinational company.

All the interns are probably goody-goody-my-little-pony over at Goog's main HQ, but the same can't be said for staff further from the mothership. "Rogue employees" are everywhere, MS, Apple, Google and they're all trying to make a quick buck. It's the cost of expansion. Sooner or later, the "collective-zaibatsu" mentally dies and the daily salaryman starts worrying about his own ass... human nature.

But at the end of the day, like it or not, the company/corporation should be held responsible regardless. It's their name that was being used in the "scam" and it's the individual(s) they hired that caused it. External forces like the country's corruption index or whether the individual went into debt because of his wife's gambling habits are secondary.

Kind of an unfair generalization here, but imagine if a worker at Bridgestone intentionally let out a malfunctioning tyre, which ends up being the cause of someone's death on the freeway somewhere. Yes, they could track the guy down and even send him to jail, but that doesn't excuse Bridgestone in the least.

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RE[3]: Do no evil
by JLF65 on Sat 14th Jan 2012 17:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Do no evil"
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I didn't say that excused them, and certainly Google itself didn't feel it excused them... they were apologizing and trying to make things right with the people affected. They accepted responsibility for what their employees did... unlike many other companies we've seen in the news who feel that once a scapegoat is designated, the company is spotless.

Google isn't perfect, but they're miles ahead of the competition when it comes to responsible corporate actions. Most don't even feel that they've done any wrong so long as it makes the shareholders money. "The bottom line is the only consideration." It's been the corporate mantra for decades now.

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RE[2]: Do no evil
by timalot on Sat 14th Jan 2012 23:52 in reply to "RE: Do no evil"
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If you read the blog post is was not just Kenyans calling. There were also calls from Google India.

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