Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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by SpikeMcG on Sat 14th Jan 2012 07:44 UTC
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You know all I hear when I read this site is some whiny person complaining about linux not being able to be installed on a Windows PC..

Well it's like the pot calling the kettle here..

I don't hear you folks bemoaning that it's illegal to put any other software on Apple brand hardware than an Apple OS (excepting bootcamp/windows) without Apple's permission. They are even protected by DMCA. Shouldn't when you buy a Windows PC shouldn't it be the same. If you want the hardware ask the manufacturer to sell it to you without Windows or build your own box.. You still have every right to do this..

Don't be a whiner, if this is something that you want ask the hardware folks to sell you a device made just to do that.. Simple answer. Some will even..

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RE: Hipocracy
by SpikeMcG on Sat 14th Jan 2012 07:47 in reply to "Hipocracy"
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So my point if you really want your favorite OS on a device, support the device maker that makes that for you and JUST buy this device.. That would even up your marketshare.. Who knows the rest of the world might even stand up and take notice and make it more successful to buy the product..

Android devices technically run on a free OS..

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RE: Hipocracy
by Alfman on Sat 14th Jan 2012 08:20 in reply to "Hipocracy"
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"I don't hear you folks bemoaning that it's illegal to put any other software on Apple brand hardware than an Apple OS (excepting bootcamp/windows) without Apple's permission."

That's not really true, apple deserves (and has gotten) criticism over it too. A large percentage of apple devices are jailbroken and beyond that there are hackers porting linux software to istuff. So clearly there is interest in unlocking them too.

But to be fair, this article is specifically about microsoft's UEFI restrictions, so it's not ok to just assume everyone here is pro-apple, anti-ms on the matter.

I've been pretty vocal here on this topic, so I'm a bit surprised that your generalization fails to capture me for example. But I am an avid promoter of open computing across the brand spectrum.

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RE: Hipocracy
by Morgan on Sat 14th Jan 2012 12:06 in reply to "Hipocracy"
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You're overlooking a huge distinction with your statements about Apple. Regarding general purpose PCs, Apple owns the hardware and the software, so theoretically they could disallow any OS but their own yet they do not restrict ANY other OS. You want Windows on your Mac? Use Apple's Bootcamp software. You want Linux or anything else? Use the freely available ReFit package. Apple won't stop you, they won't sue you, they don't care because you already paid them for that hardware.

On the Windows side of things, Microsoft doesn't own the hardware (again, talking about general purpose x86 and ARM machines) they just own the software. However, they have the near-monopolistic power to force OEMs to disallow any OS but Windows, and they are doing it. The issue is that, if any OEM wants to sell in high volume they must appease Microsoft and actively block any other OS from booting.

I'm not sure where this leaves the build-your-own crowd; will motherboard manufacturers also kowtow to Microsoft's demands, or are they exempt since they don't normally license the OS? Or perhaps there will be a great divide, wherein Windows won't boot at all on a custom built ARM or x86 computer, but rather only on a complete system built by a licensed manufacturer. That would effectively kill the parts market, other than the niche hardware hacker guys.

One last thing: This makes me want many more than just the two Raspberry Pi boards I was planning on getting. I think I'm going to order as many as I can afford in the first batch, and grab as many more as I can in future releases. Because if this goes the way it looks to be going, such boards will be in high demand by those of us who prefer to roll our own systems and use OSes other than Windows. I'm sure many here are in that boat.

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