Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 13th Jan 2012 16:20 UTC, submitted by moondevil
Windows And so the war on general computing continues. Were you looking forward to ARM laptops and maybe even desktops now that Windows 8 will also be released for ARM? I personally was, because I'd much rather have a thin, but fast and economical machine than a beastly Intel PC. Sadly, it turns out that all our fears regarding UEFI's Secure Boot feature were justified: Microsoft prohibits OEMs from allowing you to install anything other than Windows 8 on ARM devices (the Software Freedom Law Center has more).
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Well Linux used be a niche product too but now it brings smartphone revolution to the masses.


And my argument is that the masses do not care that it happens to run android. They by the phone, not the operating system.

Without easily accessible commodity hardware it would have never grown past hobby status.


No without large companies such as IBM, Google, Redhat it would have never got past hobby status.

As for bike analogy I can easily mix and match parts from various producers to build my dream vehicle. This is antithesis of what ms is doing.


No you cannot mix and match parts on a bicycle. Not since the early 90s.

Shimano have 4 different incompatible bottom bracket splines, and that is one component on a bicycle from one manufacturer. Some older cheap kit might work well together such as 5speed to 8 speed systems and resistance levers ... but anything modern such as STI flight deck shifters ... they won't work correctly.

Even a bicycle chains these days (10 speed compatible) have different proprietary joining mechanisms. KMC has a completely different joining mechanism to a shimano 10 speed chain, which again has a different joining mechanism again to a SRAM produced chain.

I could go on, about various braking systems that won't work together, but I think you get the point.

Edited 2012-01-14 08:57 UTC

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f0dder Member since:
2009-08-05

I could go on, about various braking systems that won't work together, but I think you get the point.
...and you find this to be a good thing?

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Err in some instances yes when it comes to bicycle components. My campagnolo Ergo 10 speed shifters are specifically mechanically aligned to work with the specific spaces between the sprockets on the rear cassette, which means a smoother shifting action while under load.

Which in English means, my bicycle gears work smooth as silk.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Ok, masses may not be aware that they benefit from something, that doesn't change the fact that they do. Anyway freedom and mitigated lockin risk (thanks to existence of excellent CM) is a highly regarded feature of Android, even among fairly generic mobile fans forums, at least in my country. The same way as the poor updatability is regarded as a drawback.

I wasn't aware of such advancements in bike tech. neither my friends who built their own bikes.

As for IBM, Google, Redhat, we're not contradicting each other. None of these companies could drive development alone, and they have picked a project that have already been vibrant, alive and self sufficient. Take another example, webkit. Would KHTML emerge without desktop linux push (not that it was ultimately fully realized)? I highly doubt that.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Ok, masses may not be aware that they benefit from something, that doesn't change the fact that they do.


Anyway freedom and mitigated lockin risk (thanks to existence of excellent CM) is a highly regarded feature of Android, even among fairly generic mobile fans forums, at least in my country. The same way as the poor updatability is regarded as a drawback.


Kindle Fire? Amazon have taken the source and said they aren't going back.

My HTC desire can't handle a facebook update without pucking. Where as the iPhone 3GS can still be upgraded (a phone that came out before mine).

I wasn't aware of such advancements in bike tech. neither my friends who built their own bikes.

It has been going like this for the last 10-15 years.

As for IBM, Google, Redhat, we're not contradicting each other. None of these companies could drive development alone, and they have picked a project that have already been vibrant, alive and self sufficient. Take another example, webkit. Would KHTML emerge without desktop linux push (not that it was ultimately fully realized)? I highly doubt that.


Google has driven development of Android alone. As I said before Amazon have taken the code for the Kindle Fire and saying "this is our own fork, we aren't going back".

Apple pretty much drove webkit's development. Yes they KHTML guys helped but Apple drove the development.

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Moredhas Member since:
2008-04-10

You are wrong. Normally I say "well my opinion is...", but in this case, you are outright incorrect. The "masses" do buy the OS. The OS very much determines how people will use their phones, what features will be available to them. After selling phones for two years, I can tell you that a fairly large portion of the market are better informed than I ever gave them credit for, and it seems, than you are giving them credit for; about sixty per cent of the time, I'd have someone asking for a specific OS. Windows Mobile 6, Android, Windows Phone 7, in rare cases, even Symbian. People who are actually concerned with how their devices are going to work make up a majority of the market, these days. That may not translate well over to the ultrabook and desktop market segment yet, but it will become an issue in the next couple of years. With ARM desktops and ultrabooks an inevitability, we can surely expect some manufacturors to put out Android devices, we might even see a Nexus Ultra, a Google branded Ultrabook, and people will be shopping for the OS on their primary computing device.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

People say "I have a Samsung Galaxy" or a "HTC desire" ... I rarely hear anyone that isn't a geek say I have an "android phone".

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