Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jan 2012 22:55 UTC
Google "The fragmentation of Android is very real and very problematic for end users, developers, mobile operators, device manufacturers, and Google. However fragmentation does not mean Android is going to 'die' or 'fail' as some seem to think. On the contrary I think we can count on Android playing a significant role in our world for a long, long time. I also am confident that Google has already lost control of Android and has zero chance of regaining control. This post explains why I'm so confident about this."
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RE[3]: Divided We Fall
by stabbyjones on Tue 17th Jan 2012 04:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Divided We Fall"
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Debian, your argument is invalid.

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RE[4]: Divided We Fall
by sbergman27 on Tue 17th Jan 2012 04:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Divided We Fall"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Debian, your argument is invalid.

You'll need to specify what you mean. Debian is as bad as any of the Linux distros. A sometimes ~2 year, but very uncertain 2 - 4 year release cycle. Forced upgrade a year after... whenever it is they decide to release the next version. Teeth-jarring incompatibilities at that time. No option to go to 7 years on one release, as with RHEL/CentOS/SL.

OK. So maybe it's better than Fedora. But if you think Debian's existence somehow conflicts with my stated argument, I'd recommend a splash of cold water to you.

-Steve

Edited 2012-01-17 04:56 UTC

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RE[4]: Divided We Fall
by unclefester on Tue 17th Jan 2012 05:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Divided We Fall"
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2007-01-13

Distrowatch is a geek site and is not indicative of general Linux usage.

There are only four basic distros (Debian, Red Hat, Slackware and Gentoo). Every other distro is a fork or spin of these.

There are only two mainstream Linux distros Debian-based (Debian/Ubuntu/Mint) and Red Hat-based (Fedora/Suse etc) which realistically cover well over 95% (probably >99%) of desktop users.

There have been large educational and corporate rollouts involving tens of thousands of individual machines rollouts. AFAIK every one of these rollouts has used some type of Debian or Red Hat base.

To the non-technical end user the Linux experience on any mainstream distro is virtually identical. KDE and Gnome offer a user experience similar to any other modern desktop OS.

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RE[5]: Divided We Fall
by sbergman27 on Tue 17th Jan 2012 05:23 in reply to "RE[4]: Divided We Fall"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Distrowatch is a geek site and is not indicative of general Linux usage.

True, but irrelevant to the current context.

There are only four basic distros (Debian, Red Hat, Slackware and Gentoo).

The real problem, as I described, is not so much the incompatibilities between contemporary versions of distros in any 6 month period. (Although that is still a very significant problem.) But the ongoing, pointless, reckless incompatibilities between Distro X Ver. A and Distro X Ver A+1. Every project involved thinks they are allotted a major incompatibility.

Linux is still a developers playground. Unsafe for the average desktop user. With a dedicated and savvy sysadmin, who's given a sufficient supply of anti-ulcer pills, it's great.

To the non-technical end user the Linux experience on any mainstream distro is virtually identical. KDE and Gnome offer a user experience similar to any other modern desktop OS.


Until they try to upgrade by themselves. Remember, they've gotten and applied a lot of advice about getting their systems to work right with the software they want. (Often not considered, or even ethically approved of by their distro's devs.) Pointing to various repositories, installing various codecs, and making various tweeks to work around problems.

And then... when they go to upgrade... boom!

If I organize a help desk for non-technical end users having these "virtually identical experiences" would you be willing to man the phones for free?

Thought not.

Edited 2012-01-17 05:25 UTC

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