Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jan 2012 22:55 UTC
Google "The fragmentation of Android is very real and very problematic for end users, developers, mobile operators, device manufacturers, and Google. However fragmentation does not mean Android is going to 'die' or 'fail' as some seem to think. On the contrary I think we can count on Android playing a significant role in our world for a long, long time. I also am confident that Google has already lost control of Android and has zero chance of regaining control. This post explains why I'm so confident about this."
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RE[6]: Divided We Fall
by unclefester on Tue 17th Jan 2012 06:49 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Divided We Fall"
unclefester
Member since:
2007-01-13


Linux is still a developers playground. Unsafe for the average desktop user. With a dedicated and savvy sysadmin, who's given a sufficient supply of anti-ulcer pills, it's great.


You obviously have no real experience of Linux to make such absurd claims.

The average user can use any mainstream Linux distro without the slightest problem.


Until they try to upgrade by themselves. Remember, they've gotten and applied a lot of advice about getting their systems to work right with the software they want. (Often not considered, or even ethically approved of by their distro's devs.) Pointing to various repositories, installing various codecs, and making various tweeks to work around problems.

And then... when they go to upgrade... boom!


You are either a bullshit artist or a total moron. If a newbie sticks to Mint, Ubuntu or Mandriva their life is drama free. No sane person recommends Slackware, Suse or Fedora to a novice (however they are extremely easy to use once configured).

Ubuntu has a software store that is effortless to use. Alternatively you only need to tick Ubuntu Restricted Extras and all codecs, flash, MS fonts etc are automatically installed and configured.

Mint comes fully configured out of the box.

In comparison a clean Windows doesn't do anything useful unless you have no ambitions beyond using Notepad and Internet Explorer

Upgrades of any mainstream Linux distro go without a hitch. If you have a separate user partition you can even easily switch between distros and still retain all your personal files and settings.

The average user has no real need to ever upgrade their distro. If it ain't broke don't fix it. A Linux distro is perfectly usable long after the support period ends.

If they use Debian they can upgrade their system via rolling releases for as long as their hard drive works.

Most Windows users never upgrade their OS. Most of them wouldn't be able to do so anyway. I have met many long time Windows users who have absolutely no idea how to perform the most basic tasks such as a defrag or instal a programme.

If I organize a help desk for non-technical end users having these "virtually identical experiences" would you be willing to man the phones for free?

Thought not.


I would much rather support a variety of Linux distros than a a bunch of average windows users. For start I wouldn't be dealing with all the crapware found on the most Windows machines.

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RE[7]: Divided We Fall
by sbergman27 on Tue 17th Jan 2012 07:11 in reply to "RE[6]: Divided We Fall"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

You obviously have no real experience of Linux to make such absurd claims.

Well, let's see. I've been a Unix admin since 1988. A Linux admin since ~1996. And currently admin ~100 desktop Linux users. Linux is the only OS I've used on my own desktop since 1997, aside from the occasional jaunt with Open Solaris or some *BSD variant.

Aside from your grandmother's and uncle's computers, what Linux desktops do you administer?

I have a wealth of experience which I'd love to share with you. The situations I deal with would likely crush your spirit. But I persevere, and have succeeded, on the balance, with Linux desktops, despite its intrinsic problems. And despite having been spat upon, regularly, by two bit Linux pollyannas who don't think I'm pure enough.

Go ahead. Give me your stats.

Edited 2012-01-17 07:19 UTC

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RE[8]: Divided We Fall
by unclefester on Tue 17th Jan 2012 08:46 in reply to "RE[7]: Divided We Fall"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Don't burst into tears Princess.

You claim to be a Linux admin and then try and scare everyone with highly implausible nightmare scenarios. Do you use Fedora daily builds for production environments?

I'm not saying Linux is perfect but most of your comments are pure BS.

Fact: It only takes 30-60 minutes to get a fully functional desktop system up and running with any of the mainstream Linux distros. In contrast a new Windows install is basically useless.

Fact: It is extremely easy to upgrade or even totally replace a distro as long as you use a separate home partition.

Fact: It takes hundreds of hours to have even a reasonable understanding how an OS works "under the hood". [It takes thousands of hours to be an expert]. Linux is very different to Windows. If you allow an untrained Linux user administration privileges they are guaranteed to fsck their install. Ignorance is not the fault of the OS.

Fact: It is not necessary to upgrade to the latest and greatest version of a distro. In reality the hard drive in a home PC will normally fail before the distro support period ends.

Fact: Enterprise level distros eg RHEL have extremely long support cycles of 7-10 years (as long as Windows).

Fact: Linux provides the source code so you can patch or update any code even after the support period ends. [Try doing that with Windows].

Fact: You can't expect a a purist FOSS (Debian) home consumer (non-LTS Ubuntu) or bleeding edge (Fedora) distro to be used in a production environment without some hassles. That isn't their intended role.

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