Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Jan 2012 22:55 UTC
Google "The fragmentation of Android is very real and very problematic for end users, developers, mobile operators, device manufacturers, and Google. However fragmentation does not mean Android is going to 'die' or 'fail' as some seem to think. On the contrary I think we can count on Android playing a significant role in our world for a long, long time. I also am confident that Google has already lost control of Android and has zero chance of regaining control. This post explains why I'm so confident about this."
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RE[7]: Divided We Fall
by sbergman27 on Tue 17th Jan 2012 07:11 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Divided We Fall"
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

You obviously have no real experience of Linux to make such absurd claims.

Well, let's see. I've been a Unix admin since 1988. A Linux admin since ~1996. And currently admin ~100 desktop Linux users. Linux is the only OS I've used on my own desktop since 1997, aside from the occasional jaunt with Open Solaris or some *BSD variant.

Aside from your grandmother's and uncle's computers, what Linux desktops do you administer?

I have a wealth of experience which I'd love to share with you. The situations I deal with would likely crush your spirit. But I persevere, and have succeeded, on the balance, with Linux desktops, despite its intrinsic problems. And despite having been spat upon, regularly, by two bit Linux pollyannas who don't think I'm pure enough.

Go ahead. Give me your stats.

Edited 2012-01-17 07:19 UTC

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RE[8]: Divided We Fall
by unclefester on Tue 17th Jan 2012 08:46 in reply to "RE[7]: Divided We Fall"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Don't burst into tears Princess.

You claim to be a Linux admin and then try and scare everyone with highly implausible nightmare scenarios. Do you use Fedora daily builds for production environments?

I'm not saying Linux is perfect but most of your comments are pure BS.

Fact: It only takes 30-60 minutes to get a fully functional desktop system up and running with any of the mainstream Linux distros. In contrast a new Windows install is basically useless.

Fact: It is extremely easy to upgrade or even totally replace a distro as long as you use a separate home partition.

Fact: It takes hundreds of hours to have even a reasonable understanding how an OS works "under the hood". [It takes thousands of hours to be an expert]. Linux is very different to Windows. If you allow an untrained Linux user administration privileges they are guaranteed to fsck their install. Ignorance is not the fault of the OS.

Fact: It is not necessary to upgrade to the latest and greatest version of a distro. In reality the hard drive in a home PC will normally fail before the distro support period ends.

Fact: Enterprise level distros eg RHEL have extremely long support cycles of 7-10 years (as long as Windows).

Fact: Linux provides the source code so you can patch or update any code even after the support period ends. [Try doing that with Windows].

Fact: You can't expect a a purist FOSS (Debian) home consumer (non-LTS Ubuntu) or bleeding edge (Fedora) distro to be used in a production environment without some hassles. That isn't their intended role.

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RE[9]: Divided We Fall
by arokh on Tue 17th Jan 2012 09:29 in reply to "RE[8]: Divided We Fall"
arokh Member since:
2008-01-29

Who are you trying to fool? The year of the Linux desktop never arrived.

- A LOT of hardware have issues under Linux, or require drivers that are difficult to install. Not to mention never tailored to whatever distro the user is running.

- Distribution fragmentation is one thing, but what about desktop fragmentation? GNOME 3.x, Unity, KDE 4.x, XFCE... It's all a mess.

- You claim there is nothing you can do on a default Windows installation. Well, at least you can install flash/java/multimedia codecs painlessly by answering yes when going to a site. I mean, Synaptic is great for technical users but grandma can forget about it.

- None of your "facts" about how easy it is to use Linux applies for normal users. You are looking at it through your own eyes, you fail to see Linux from a non -techincal users point of view.

- When faced by superior arguments from sbergman27 you react by claiming that he is not a Linux user? Just... Wow.

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RE[9]: Divided We Fall
by sbergman27 on Tue 17th Jan 2012 16:50 in reply to "RE[8]: Divided We Fall"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I'm not saying Linux is perfect

Good. Because the Linux desktop market has been stuck at 0.5% to 0.75% for over a decade:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201201

Despite all your hand-waving about how easy it is, it's never gotten past square one. Especially embarrassing for a free (as in beer) set of offerings. This strongly suggests that there are some problems. Among them are the fragmentation issues I've mentioned. (Horizontally, between extant distros, and temporally, between successive versions.) A disregard of the user experience. (Something else is always "even more important" in key areas.) And a stubborn refusal by members of the perpetually tiny Linux Desktop community to even admit that there is a problem.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother.

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