Linked by Howard Fosdick on Wed 25th Jan 2012 06:58 UTC
Editorial Why do people troll? Can we prevent trolling or limit the damage trolls do? Here are some thoughts on trollology derived from academic studies and web research.
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Trolls
by Coxy on Wed 25th Jan 2012 08:10 UTC
Coxy
Member since:
2006-07-01

The whole idea of trolls is wrong... it's just a term used by people on forums and in comments used when someone says something the other person dosn't like or disagrees with.

What I find more annoying is when comparisons are made... and when someone compares a with b unfavourably... people use comparisons all the time... except when someone compares them in away that the other person disagrees with then let lose with the old "that's like comparing apples with oranges" crap... some peoples dictionaries and education are seriously lacking if they think it's not possible to compare an apple to an orange.

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RE: Trolls
by theosib on Wed 25th Jan 2012 14:21 in reply to "Trolls"
theosib Member since:
2006-03-02

It is perfectly possible to express a controvercial viewpoint in a polite enough way that others will be willing to politely disagree and not mod you down.

Consider extremists like fundamentalists. I disagree with them. But I'm only irritated by those who are both insistent on bringing me to their viewpoint and completely unwilling to discuss it rationally. That insistence can turn into coercion, and it gets really bad. People who use politics to push their viewpoint into the educational system, for instance, are trolls. On forums, trolls do this by making everyone who disagrees with them out to be some kind of moron.

It takes some effort to color your words politely, and I don't do it perfectly myself, but those who actually care about being heard will put some work into it. It's not about being right or wrong. It's about being NICE. I just don't see the point of calling people names.

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RE[2]: Trolls
by lucas_maximus on Wed 25th Jan 2012 19:28 in reply to "RE: Trolls"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

It is perfectly possible to express a controvercial viewpoint in a polite enough way that others will be willing to politely disagree and not mod you down.


No it isn't. No on the internet it isn't.

On another level, when someone does try to be expressive in a collective, Web 2.0 context, she must prioritize standing out from the crowd. To do anything else is to be invisible. Therefore, people become artificially caustic, flattering, or otherwise manipulative.


http://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Not-Gadget-Manifesto/dp/0307269647

There is no other way I can say my piece IMHO than to be very aggressive otherwise I am ignored. It is very true.

Also the majority of people posting have absolutely no idea what they are on about.

The majority of articles on this website is written by someone who has no idea about Software Engineering practices or basic Ideas about Specifications and Testing.

I think Thom once had a go at me saying you can't know what a application is doing if you don't have the source code. In fact there is a whole field of testing called "Blackbox" testing that is dedicated to this.

If he read maybe some basic texts on the subject such as the "Art of Software Testing" (I have the first edition that talks about Fortran a lot).

It is honestly a sad state when you cannot express your opinion without basically having to be in someone elses face.

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RE: Trolls
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 25th Jan 2012 15:31 in reply to "Trolls"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

If you haven't actually read all of Howard's article, I suggest you do.

There are intentional trolls who tick people off because its fun for them, and those that just suck at communicating without becoming emotionally involved.

One of the reasons why I visit this site, is because of its low troll count. There are people here I sharply disagree with on many things, but we do learn quite a bit from each other in a constructive dialogue.

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RE[2]: Trolls
by lucas_maximus on Wed 25th Jan 2012 19:29 in reply to "RE: Trolls"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Comon mate ... I submitted an article and trolled Lemur2 upto 300 comments.

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