Linked by karunko on Mon 23rd Jan 2012 22:08 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones VirtualBSD 9.0 is a desktop-ready FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE built around the XFCE Desktop Environment for good aesthetics and usability, and is distributed as a VMware appliance (that can also be made to work with VirtualBox) so even non techies can be up and running in minutes. The most common applications, plugins and multimedia codecs are ready since the first boot.
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RE: For display only
by phoenix on Wed 25th Jan 2012 21:05 UTC in reply to "For display only"
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2005-07-11

1) Pure FreeBSD is too difficult to install and make work. Arguably, it is a learning process, learning is part of the deal, but I think that learning from scratch is too painful.


"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." ;) If you don't want to learn ...


4) PC-BSD is not good. There are bugs, glitches, every release fails on me for some different reason. Their USB stick image usually doesn't work. They use KDE4, which I loathe.


I take it you haven't done any research since the first time you looked at it. PC-BSD 9.0 includes support for KDE4, GNOME2, XFCE, LXDE right on the install DVD. Pick the desktop you'd prefer to use. Or, even use the DVD to install plain FreeBSD.

And their package format takes up a lot of disk space, so it is something I am definitely never going to use as my everyday OS.


Again, you haven't done any research since the first time you looked at it. PC-BSD 9.0 PBI format is much improved, and supports shared libraries. Thus, install two PBIs that need the same libs, and the libs only get installed once. Much less disk space is used.

BSD is interesting, but ruined by the deliberately unfriendly attitude the BSD community chooses to maintain. They actively drive curious people away, which will never strike me as a healthy, constructive decision.


Curious people, who like to learn, stick around and end up loving FreeBSD.

"Curious" people who just want to clickety-clickety on random dialog boxes end up slinking away into the shadows.

I had never heard of VirtualBSD, and it looks like just what I needed: ready to use and with a pretty good window manager.


You just described PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and a couple of others. Oh, and you described FreeBSD too, since all of that's available ... to those who want to learn. ;)

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RE[2]: For display only
by lucm on Wed 25th Jan 2012 22:08 in reply to "RE: For display only"
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2012-01-24

"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." ;) If you don't want to learn ...


Give a man a cliché, and he will use it on every opportunity for the rest of his life, even if it doesn't quite fit the situation at hand.

I already explained that I find learning from scratch too painful. I want a system that is ready, then I will explore it while I'm actually using it, without having to resort to dual boot, without approaching it just once in a while like a foreign thing. You are ignoring things I have already stated.


I take it you haven't done any research since the first time you looked at it. PC-BSD 9.0 includes support for KDE4, GNOME2, XFCE, LXDE right on the install DVD. Pick the desktop you'd prefer to use. Or, even use the DVD to install plain FreeBSD.


You are judging me without any basis whatsoever. I have tested four editions of PC-BSD, several months apart from each other, spanning across perhaps two or three years.

And I said: "I don't have a CD drive." I obviously cannot use the DVD install. You are ignoring things I have already stated. It would be a lot more considerate on your part to read the entire thread before dispensing any advice.

"And their package format takes up a lot of disk space, so it is something I am definitely never going to use as my everyday OS.

Again, you haven't done any research since the first time you looked at it. PC-BSD 9.0 PBI format is much improved, and supports shared libraries. Thus, install two PBIs that need the same libs, and the libs only get installed once. Much less disk space is used.
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Again, your arrogant assumption: "you haven't done any research since the first time you looked at it." Well, then neither has karunko, since he agreed with me on that particular aspect!

Curious people, who like to learn, stick around and end up loving FreeBSD.


Nonsense. I am curious, I like to learn. I have learned Linux, programming, three shells, two foreign languages (English and French), body building, nutrition, and many other things. In fact, I was a teacher for 11 years and I know what it takes to instill confidence and enthusiasm into a pupil. The job required that I also know what it takes to destroy a student's confidence and enthusiasm, and the overall BSD attitude has a lot of it.

Apparently, you just advocate the "shut up and suck it up" attitude. You must be a BSD community member.

That's why I gave up on Slackware and the Slackware community. I have no pride in being a "toughie" and making things difficult for newcomers.

"Curious" people who just want to clickety-clickety on random dialog boxes end up slinking away into the shadows.


Uninformed, patronizing, rude and unhelpful comment.

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