Linked by David Adams on Tue 31st Jan 2012 23:08 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless An article at The Next Web points out that the latest marketshare numbers put Apple at the top of "PC" makers, and that some PC makers that don't have any tablet momentum are calling foul. It's "controversial" to count tablets as PCs, they say. The article points out various justifications for not categorizing tablets as personal computers, and then shoots them down. I must say, I find the argument compelling.
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No,
by No it isnt on Wed 1st Feb 2012 00:40 UTC
No it isnt
Member since:
2005-11-14

You can't program an iPad on an iPad. Wake me up when it can bootstrap its own OS, then we'll call it a PC.

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RE: No,
by frytvm on Wed 1st Feb 2012 03:29 in reply to "No,"
frytvm Member since:
2009-11-11

As a matter of curiosity, how mature is the space for programming on tablets [on any platform]? I don't know that tablets necessarily can't be good for programming, although input methods might certainly change.

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RE: No,
by Elv13 on Wed 1st Feb 2012 04:02 in reply to "No,"
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

There is nothing preventing you from doing it. It is built with GCC and GCC work fine on MacOSX and work fine on ARM. If you want to compile Darwin on an iPad, you can. You will just waste a lot of your time. Same for Android, but good luck booting it (it can be done, it have been done, but it is a waste of time).

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RE[2]: No,
by No it isnt on Wed 1st Feb 2012 10:58 in reply to "RE: No,"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Wrong, there is something preventing you from doing it. Apple. You'll need to jailbreak it to program it, and then you might as well say a PS3 or a Wii is a PC.

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RE: No,
by Hussein on Wed 1st Feb 2012 04:44 in reply to "No,"
Hussein Member since:
2008-11-22

Way to miss the point.

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RE: No,
by vasper on Wed 1st Feb 2012 10:01 in reply to "No,"
vasper Member since:
2005-07-22

In response to the first comment about programming:
Self hosting is not a prequisite for a PC!!! Personal Computing is a prequisite. Users do not program. They use. PCs are not made for use by a professional in computing. They are made for use by USERS. Thus the name Personal computer, not Professional Computer.

Edited 2012-02-01 10:02 UTC

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RE[2]: No,
by No it isnt on Wed 1st Feb 2012 11:00 in reply to "RE: No,"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

The PC is a self-sufficient computer for single users.

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RE[2]: No,
by ARUmar on Wed 1st Feb 2012 15:38 in reply to "RE: No,"
ARUmar Member since:
2009-10-08

imho the distinction of a device getting labelled a 'PC' has more to do with control than capability.AS is stands tablets are moar locked down than most computers ever are putting into question wheteher they deserve name PC.

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RE[2]: No,
by TemporalBeing on Wed 1st Feb 2012 19:22 in reply to "RE: No,"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

In response to the first comment about programming:
Self hosting is not a prequisite for a PC!!! Personal Computing is a prequisite. Users do not program. They use. PCs are not made for use by a professional in computing. They are made for use by USERS. Thus the name Personal computer, not Professional Computer.


Personal Computer (PC) was coined to relate to the desktop computers as opposed to the central, behemoth mainframes and to differentiate between the multi-user environment of the mainframes (regardless of its implementation) and the 1:1 nature of the smaller desktop "PC" computers.

Both were made for USERS. But only one user (typically) had any say over the environment and programs of a PC, as opposed to the admin controlling the many users on the mainframe.

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RE[2]: No,
by mrstep on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 22:21 in reply to "RE: No,"
mrstep Member since:
2009-07-18

Exactly. Otherwise, only count as PCs the PCs that people use for development. Oh, wait, that's a lot less than the machines sold that could be used to develop.

There's nothing about a 'PC' that requires being able to develop on it, have a keyboard, a mouse, etc. - and the reality is that a small fraction of users ever go much beyond email and surfing.

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RE: No,
by Deviate_X on Wed 1st Feb 2012 12:48 in reply to "No,"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

A tablet is a PC if it can:

* Run the applications that PC's run
* Use a printer and basic lan networking
* All PCs have been able to load software

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RE[2]: No,
by TemporalBeing on Wed 1st Feb 2012 19:23 in reply to "RE: No,"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

A tablet is a PC if it can:

* Run the applications that PC's run
* Use a printer and basic lan networking
* All PCs have been able to load software


Then a Mac is not a PC since it can't run Linux or Windows based software. Likewise for Linux and Windows since they can't run Mac software.

That is a very broken definition.

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RE: No,
by kristoph on Wed 1st Feb 2012 20:45 in reply to "No,"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

That's just so lame. You can't program an Mac OS X app on Windows so it's not a .... something.

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