Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Oct 2005 10:09 UTC, submitted by FreeBSD_User
FreeBSD Rink Springer would like to see his Xbox port migrated into FreeBSD-current. He is looking to import his FreeBSD/Xbox within the FreeBSD/i386 port, bringing support into FreeBSD-CURRENT. He is proposing a prioritized plan in order to accomplish this goal and is looking for your comments and feedback.
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Re: yes, it's useful
by on Mon 24th Oct 2005 13:44 UTC

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1) xbox has a 733Mhz Intel processor inside it - it is not strictly speaking a new architecture, and there are already *useful* architectures being supported;

2) PC-BSD and DesktopBSD could add the necessary patches to their own source if they really want to support xbox, without cluttering up FreeBSD's source with support for a piece of hardware that is already obsolete.

So no, making FreeBSD work on xbox is neither cool nor useful.

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RE: Re: yes, it's useful
by molnarcs on Mon 24th Oct 2005 14:02 in reply to "Re: yes, it's useful"
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2005-09-10

RE:1 how many? besides, it is his call. He would like to do it in his own free time, so... (and no, you can't tell a developer what he or she should do instead of what he likes to do).

RE:2 " PC-BSD and DesktopBSD could add the necessary patches to their own source" why should they? if someone is willing to do it in the mainline "distro." "cluttering up FreeBSD's source yeah, sure, porting an OS to different hardwares "clutters" up the source code. You better tell NetBSD devs how cluttered their source must be by now ;) ))

So what's your point? A developer wants to add xbox support to FreeBSD woring in his own free time on it - and you come here blathering about clutter, and wasting time? If it is useful to him, why does it bother you? And at the very least, we can say that it will be useful for a few dozen users, who will have another choice for the xbox besides linux (and a very nice choice).

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RE[2]: Re: yes, it's useful
by Joao on Mon 24th Oct 2005 14:23 in reply to "RE: Re: yes, it's useful"
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2005-07-26

Maybe for you FreeBSD is an OS to toy around with, but for some of us it runs mission critical applications for corporate environments.
With this in mind you would not like the idea that extra code for (for my purposes) useless xbox might instabilize the entire thing. Every line of code is a potential bug.
The time spent on porting is not the time-waste i'm worried about. its time thats wasted during bug-hunts and such things which are the cullprit here.
It doesn't stop with just merging the code. You need support for it and what not. Those resources could IMO be better spent. And lets be honest. FreeBSD's stability has not made much fame since the introduction of 5.x

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RE[2]: Re: yes, it's useful
by on Mon 24th Oct 2005 16:31 in reply to "Re: yes, it's useful"
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Perhaps not in regards to the processor. What about the chipset (North bridge/South bridge)?

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RE: Re: yes, it's useful
by Lazarus on Wed 26th Oct 2005 03:05 in reply to "Re: yes, it's useful"
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2005-08-10

"xbox has a 733Mhz Intel processor inside it - it is not strictly speaking a new architecture, and there are already *useful* architectures being supported"

The amount of code in the port is not substantial. It's really inconsequential compared to the size of the rest of the source.

"PC-BSD and DesktopBSD could add the necessary patches to their own source if they really want to support xbox, without cluttering up FreeBSD's source with support for a piece of hardware that is already obsolete."

Sources for various archs are in their own directories, so integrating this port would hardly clutter up FreeBSD's source tree. This concept hasn't fallen under the term "computer science" in my lifetime (and I'm old enough to have creaky joints ;^), and it's laughable that you see it as a problem.

"So no, making FreeBSD work on xbox is neither cool nor useful."

Not for you, but obviously it is to somebody, or else it wouldn't have been done. Don't believe what telescopes tell you. You're not the center of the Universe, and your opinion on any given matter means nothing as you're not doing the work.

Sitting back and complaining is not a meaningful contribution.

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