Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Feb 2012 22:24 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless How many N9's did Nokia sell, and how many Lumias did Nokia sell? It's an interesting thing to ponder, because estimates by Tomi T. Ahonen seem to indicate that, despite decidedly undermarketing the thing, the N9 faired considerably better in the marketplace than the Lumia did.
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Is it really true?
by syngularyx on Wed 1st Feb 2012 23:00 UTC
syngularyx
Member since:
2012-02-01

I have just a question: if this is true, why the Nokia board simply doesn't force mr. Elop to resign?
This will be in the Nokia (and its shareholders) own interests!

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RE: Is it really true?
by ebasconp on Wed 1st Feb 2012 23:08 in reply to "Is it really true?"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

Maybe they really want to be bought by Microsoft, and Elop is actually moving towards that path.

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RE: Is it really true?
by Elv13 on Wed 1st Feb 2012 23:30 in reply to "Is it really true?"
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

It is too early. It is like changing football coach twice in a month. It make no sense. There is no way he would have time to implement his now system in that time frame. So it is actually expected that the team will lose more often for a while until the new system is implemented.

As for NOKIA, I think they are doomed and wont get the top spot back, ever. Unless Elop really mess up even more, I don't think NOKIA board will go the way of HP. But yea, now that Google own Motorola and Apple, well, Apple, Microsoft may -need- to buy NOKIA to stay relevant. Why not T-Mobile or Sprint while they are at it.

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RE[2]: Is it really true?
by glarepate on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 01:33 in reply to "RE: Is it really true?"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

I agree that it is too early to dump him. And I don't even like him. (;

Nokia did a great job bringing a handset to market in 6 months. And they are still pumping out new models.

I disagree that there is any reason for them, RIM, Sprint, or anyone else to be bought in order for the OS to succeed. Just the opposite, Apple and RIM notwithstanding.

If the OS is capable of succeeding then it doesn't need its own carrier, handset maker or other support system to become successful. It might, or might not, acquire those things through success but not as a prerequisite to success.

A synergy comes into being when two competencies catalyze each other. Not when a rocket pulls a rock into orbit.

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RE: Is it really true?
by fran on Wed 1st Feb 2012 23:33 in reply to "Is it really true?"
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

Nokia panicked. It had a R&D budget that was 5 times that of apple on year and still loosing smarphone market share.
The company just did not have the faith, budget and maybe even the stomach anymore.
Microsoft was probably their best bet to continue business as usual. It already gave them $1 billion last year and $250 million not long ago. They're so encumbered by MS right now that quitting the partnership might very well bankrupt them. There just isn't any turning back now.
I was sceptical but I think they will 2012 Tango release with the Nokia Windows 7 lower-priced budget smartphones will push up sales.

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RE[2]: Is it really true?
by shmerl on Wed 1st Feb 2012 23:46 in reply to "RE: Is it really true?"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Bad choices shouldn't cause apathy. They should dump this MS partnership as soon as possible, but their slowness to react will only sink them further.

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RE[2]: Is it really true?
by JAlexoid on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 10:11 in reply to "RE: Is it really true?"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

In all fairness, you can't really compare Apple's R&D with anyone else's. It ridiculously low and I'm pretty sure that software development isn't in R&D department.

Also, hardware R&D is multiple times more expensive than anything in the software domain.

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RE[2]: Is it really true?
by przemo_li on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 13:06 in reply to "RE: Is it really true?"
przemo_li Member since:
2010-06-01

It do not matter if Nokia is getting tones of gold from MS. Only thing that matter if Nokia can make profit again.

Linked article suggest that Nokia could made profit with MeeGo. If MeeGo could be allowed to be sold in every country Lumia could.

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RE: Is it really true?
by shmerl on Wed 1st Feb 2012 23:42 in reply to "Is it really true?"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Several possibilities. Disillusioned, or interested in short turn money from MS and don't care about Nokia's future. In either case, Nokia suffers.

Edited 2012-02-01 23:43 UTC

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RE: Is it really true?
by cyrilleberger on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 08:05 in reply to "Is it really true?"
cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

Because the decision to switch to Windows Phone was taken in 2010 before hiring Elop, by the board. Think about it, why would Nokia hire the boss of the business division at Microsoft, someone who has zero experience in running a hardware company or a mobile business ? There can be only one reason, they had already decided to go with windows phone at that time, and they needed someone to work the deal with Microsoft, that someone was Elop.

To remove Elop and change Nokia's strategy (once again) it would require for the board to acknowledge its own mistakes, which is something very difficult for most humans. They are likely to keep trying with the current strategy until the shareholders meeting later that year, where the board will sacrifice Elop to save their ass and turn themselves to be an Android OEM shop.

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RE[2]: Is it really true?
by spiderman on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 08:16 in reply to "RE: Is it really true?"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

Nokia also bought Trolltech in 2008. they are like a chicken without a head, running in all directions. One step forward, 2 steps backward. WTF did they expect from Windows Phone? They've been competing with WP since a decade or so and consistently kicking its ass over and over again. Then all of a sudden, they switch gears and embrace the looser strategy. What are they thinking?

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RE[2]: Is it really true?
by JAlexoid on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 10:15 in reply to "RE: Is it really true?"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Because the decision to switch to Windows Phone was taken in 2010 before hiring Elop, by the board. Think about it, why would Nokia hire the boss of the business division at Microsoft, someone who has zero experience in running a hardware company or a mobile business ? There can be only one reason, they had already decided to go with windows phone at that time, and they needed someone to work the deal with Microsoft, that someone was Elop.


That is an option, however unlikely. More like they were entertaining the idea that a former MS exec can get a better deal out of US software makers, than a finnish guy.

Microsoft did offer them a better deal(judging by the financials), no matter what you say.

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RE[2]: Is it really true?
by shmerl on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 18:30 in reply to "RE: Is it really true?"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

They have no need for Android OEM shop, while their own Harmattan was a success. They just need some sanity first.

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RE: Is it really true?
by taschenorakel on Thu 2nd Feb 2012 08:52 in reply to "Is it really true?"
taschenorakel Member since:
2005-07-06

I have just a question: if this is true, why the Nokia board simply doesn't force mr. Elop to resign?
This will be in the Nokia (and its shareholders) own interests!


Because:

1) Elop is just executing their plan.
2) They bet on huge personal compensations from Microsoft when they finally buy the shop.

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