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Slackware, Slax There are different reasons people use Unix-like operating systems, including configurable, availability free of charge, powerful command line interface an many more. Some people are motivated by the moral issue: they reject non-free software. Specifically for such users Free Software Foundation developed Guidelines for Free System Distributions and created the list of absolutely free ("as in freedom") distributions. In this article we are going to look at the most recent entry on the list - Parabola GNU/Linux.
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RE[5]: Rant
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 3rd Feb 2012 17:58 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Rant"
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, now we are down to facts and a reasonable argument. This is progress.


He does, you are nitpicking about the details. He was close enough as much as it matters. It constantly irritates me, that anyone that supports open source will say "well nobody said that exactly".


I'm not nitpicking, it matters. If the FSF were actually saying that selling software should be illegal, I would never use anything they produced. So, it definitely does matter to me, and I would imagine others as well.



Call me crazy, but there is a world of difference between

"Its illegal to do X."

Vs

"Its hard to do X, but legal to try"




And tbh if the differences are this easily misunderstood by people in the profession ... how is anyone outside of the software engineering going to understand the nuances?


Not sure what you are arguing here. Yes the nuances are difficult to explain to people in the profession, that's why they need to be explained instead of ignored. Because they matter.

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RE[6]: Rant
by lucas_maximus on Fri 3rd Feb 2012 18:31 in reply to "RE[5]: Rant"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

No instead they demand you use a license that makes it more difficult to make money, unless you already have pots of cash. I think it amounts to almost the same thing.

Richard Stallman doesn't like software professionals. Stallman is a professional speaker, I actually applaud him for being able to convince the enough people that he can make a living talking about how the author keeping hold of his source code is taking away your human rights.

Secondly I will say it again, if a software engineer apparently find it difficult to understand the difference, there is no hope someone outside of the professional will understand it, and I don't think they should ever have to be tasked with understanding the value of something they didn't care about enough in the first place to research themselves.

I had problems explaining to people that worked in the same department as me what the problems are (and they are somewhat technically minded but in a different discipline).

Hell half the time, software engineers don't understand how it works. A lot of what a software engineer does is basically completely fictional and is a construct of our imaginations. Then we have imaginary processes and we test these things using another imaginary construct.

That was originally based on maths at some point in time (There was a time when people thought that all software would be written by mathematicians).

I will say it again as you glazed over it. There are many people on the internet demanding the source for this that and the other that have no experience in the software industry and have never written code.

What are they going to do with it? Hang it on a wall? Sing it at Church? What?

To use the old car analogy. Nobody except enthusiasts care what happens when you press the gas pedal. But everyone cares when it goes wrong.

Edited 2012-02-03 18:36 UTC

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RE[7]: Rant
by Valhalla on Fri 3rd Feb 2012 19:17 in reply to "RE[6]: Rant"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

No instead they demand you use a license that makes it more difficult to make money, unless you already have pots of cash.

Who is making money off the BSD's? Oh those poor companies Apple, Cisco, Juniper, yes totally unlike those companies making money out off GPL licenced code.

Richard Stallman doesn't like software professionals.

FSF employs people to write software. GCC (software flagship of FSF) is developed by full-time software professionals hired by a large number of companies.

Secondly I will say it again, if a software engineer apparently find it difficult to understand the difference,

Obviously not all 'software engineers' are created equal because being a programmer and working with programmers all day I can say that it's not a hard concept. If someone can understand the concept of 'if you use this code in your project you have to pay me', then they can grasp the concept of [i]'if you use this code in your project you have to release the source code of your project'.[/]

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