Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Feb 2012 12:26 UTC
Legal "Among the treasure troves of recently released WikiLeaks cables, we find one whose significance has bypassed Swedish media. In short: every law proposal, every ordinance, and every governmental report hostile to the net, youth, and civil liberties here in Sweden in recent years have been commissioned by the US government and industry interests." How such prestigious nations with such long and proud histories, like Sweden, The Netherlands, and so on, can succumb to pressure from a former colony is beyond me. We should know better.
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by d3vi1 on Sun 5th Feb 2012 14:40 UTC in reply to "???"
d3vi1
Member since:
2006-01-28

Here's an off-topic flame-bait.

Thom probably meant "former rebellious colony".

What you're not getting is that the blokes in the old continent are getting quite fed up with the US policy of behind the doors lobbying.

In our democracies, new laws are subject to public debate unlike ACTA and other US horror stories. In the past few years, the land of freedom and democracy, has only tried to circumvent the will and sovereignty of the people of other countries that it calls friends.

Furthermore, the non-friends get invaded (Irak) under false pretences. In Irak they destroyed all traces of civility (women's rights and education were thrown back 50 years over there). While Sadam was most probably a tyrant (we'll never know for sure as history is written by the winners), the good old US of A acted without warrant, knowingly under false pretences and without a clear understanding of the consequences (see security, health, education and women's rights).

The US of A is acting more like the old USSR every day and Thom wasn't feeling superior but he was looking down on the US. Europe has it's problems but nothing compares to the structural and civic problems that the citizens of the US have allowed their country to have.

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by UglyKidBill on Sun 5th Feb 2012 15:11 in reply to "RE: ???"
UglyKidBill Member since:
2005-07-27

[...] What you're not getting is that the blokes in the old continent are getting quite fed up with the US policy of behind the doors lobbying.

In our democracies, new laws are subject to public debate unlike ACTA and other US horror stories. In the past few years, the land of freedom and democracy, has only tried to circumvent the will and sovereignty of the people of other countries that it calls friends.
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But after some "debate" everthing, some way or another, is either accepted, or ovelooked, or silently condoned... to follow your examples: France´sthree strikes law, Spain´s Sinde law and Irak support, Britain irak support and a fragging citizen extradition (WTF!!!).

Europe is going that same way, it´s just they are still at the "massaging peoples brain" stage.

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by chemical_scum on Sun 5th Feb 2012 18:23 in reply to "RE[2]: ???"
chemical_scum Member since:
2005-11-02

So to is Canada under the now majority government of the (neo)-Conservative right wing extremist prime minister Harper.

He is now trying very hard to follow the US instructions on the destruction of freedom and free speech on the internet as well as threatening to destroy our pension rights.

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by lucas_maximus on Mon 6th Feb 2012 11:53 in reply to "RE[2]: ???"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Do you guys have a problem spelling Iraq?

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