Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Feb 2012 19:15 UTC
Windows For all intents and purposes, this is only a minor change, and were this any other operating system or graphical environment, it would never warrant an entire news item. However, we're talking Windows, the most popular desktop operating system of all time, here. After 17 years of trusty service, Microsoft has removed the Start button from the taskbar in the upcoming Consumer Preview release of Windows 8.
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Good Riddance!
by MacMan on Sun 5th Feb 2012 22:22 UTC
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Member since:
2006-11-19

Not sure why, but the start menu is one of the things I hated most about Win9x-7.

The Win7 taskbar IMO is certainly a step in the right direction, looks like the 8 taskbar will be similar to the dock on NeXT, which is probably the the best desktop I've ever used.

I am so dammed sick hearing this crap about whenever MS, Gnome, KDE, anybody changes anything, this bunch of people pipe up and spew this "dumbing down" crap. People, streamlining user interaction is not "dumbing down", just because it is different than the same crap you've been using since 1995 does not mean "dumbing down", its just different.

Now, I for one don't care much for the changes Apple has made in 10.7, thats why I'm sticking with 10.6 for now. But, you don't hear me spewing this "dumbing down" BS. So, people, stop and think for a second, is it really a "dumbing down", like say MS Bob, or is really some change that is just different that what your used to, some change that you don't like for some personal preference?

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RE: Good Riddance!
by r_a_trip on Mon 6th Feb 2012 10:14 in reply to "Good Riddance!"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Yelling "dumbing down" isn't productive, but just taking any old change as gospel isn't either.

The developer preview of Windows 8 was akward to use on a non-touch screen device. It simply doesn't lend itself for smooth mouse interaction. I can see the ease of use when you can flick through it with touch control, but my guess is that widespread use of touch desktops will not materialize before or after the launch of Windows 8.

Of course people will rail against the replacement of a finetuned, well worked through paradigm by what seems to be an unfinished experiment. After the launch of Windows 8, whatever MS has tacked on, is what you will be stuck with in the future.

I don't really get the return to dumping all icons on the desktop and calling it new. They just enlarged them to fit back to back. Yes, they are "live", which makes them a cross between icons and desktop gadgets. I've never really cared for either of 'em, a cross between them the least.

Not that I ultimately care. I'm happily using Gnome 3 with Cinnamon at home. Windows 8 will one day be rolled out on the machines at my employer and if it works or not, I'll have to make do with it then. Before that, I can just cynically wonder where all these brave new desktops will lead to.

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RE: Good Riddance!
by dvhh on Tue 7th Feb 2012 05:04 in reply to "Good Riddance!"
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

the windows 95 start button was badly designed in term of usability (putting the hit zone a few pixel from the corner was a bad idea).
And after a few installs the start menu could be a few screen in heights.

The windows XP menu mitigated with a search field, but still.

Personnally I don't think that mac OSX or iOS are good in that regards, and unfortunately windows 8 seems to be heading that direction.

I agree that the windows start is great for discoverability and less invasive than the "program manager", but perhaps a new path is the key to find a good replacement.

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