Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Feb 2012 12:26 UTC
Legal "Among the treasure troves of recently released WikiLeaks cables, we find one whose significance has bypassed Swedish media. In short: every law proposal, every ordinance, and every governmental report hostile to the net, youth, and civil liberties here in Sweden in recent years have been commissioned by the US government and industry interests." How such prestigious nations with such long and proud histories, like Sweden, The Netherlands, and so on, can succumb to pressure from a former colony is beyond me. We should know better.
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by evert on Mon 6th Feb 2012 10:21 UTC in reply to "RE: ???"
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2005-07-06

No, The Netherlands never were a colony of Spain. Both countries were part of the Holy Roman Empire, in fact a Germanic empire that took some symbols from the old Roman Empire and where the Roman church had much influence. The first Emperor was Frankish (a Germanic tribe). The Emperor of the time of the civil war moved to Spain and ruled from there. The Netherlands didn't want to pay taxes any more, and also the Reformation played its part.

Your historic knowledge of Europe is faulty, which is not surprising giving the fact that you are living in a former colony ;-) Although I have to admit that the former colony has done a great job. But remember that most of your culture originates elsewhere.

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by JAlexoid on Mon 6th Feb 2012 23:54 in reply to "RE[2]: ???"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Lithuania? A former colony? Of what?

My knowledge of European history may have some holes in it, but I definitely know where Holland is and what country the French refer to as Pays-Bas and why.

PS: Note that I put quotes around the word colony. That is for a reason...

Edited 2012-02-06 23:56 UTC

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by zima on Sun 12th Feb 2012 23:25 in reply to "RE[3]: ???"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Hm, so you already forgot Lithuanian ССР...

Or: a "colony" of pre-Soviet Russia, in XIX century ...really, also in XVIII, already under strong Russian influence, just like Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in general (well, the more eastern parts at least). Oh yeah, and particularly in later (but before terminal) times of that Commonwealth also of ~Poland, sort of. And one might debate even much earlier periods vis-a-vis Teutonic Knights (also depending on what we count as Lithuania, I guess - area called that back then, or now?)

You know, just something around half the recorded history of the area (particularly by the standard of "Note that I put quotes around the word colony. That is for a reason...") / yup, seems yours may have some holes.

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