Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 5th Feb 2012 12:26 UTC
Legal "Among the treasure troves of recently released WikiLeaks cables, we find one whose significance has bypassed Swedish media. In short: every law proposal, every ordinance, and every governmental report hostile to the net, youth, and civil liberties here in Sweden in recent years have been commissioned by the US government and industry interests." How such prestigious nations with such long and proud histories, like Sweden, The Netherlands, and so on, can succumb to pressure from a former colony is beyond me. We should know better.
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When colonies are formed with a base of skilled rather educated and working people they want to emancipate earlier, figures doesn't it?.

Aware of gross oversimplifications... lets compare the British and Spanish colonies for example, British took the north, Spaniards the south, south America begun to be colonised around early 1500, while the north more that 100 years later, at least two generations regarding life expectancy around the time. North got to be independent first.

We all know what happened down here, Spain took waaay more than they chipped in. They decimated amazing civilisations for gold and silver that they later squandered in wars or donated some to the stupid church which was under much debate (after dividing the world in half to Portuguese and Spanish discoverers, just lookup the treaty of Tordesillas, British were to "piraty" at the time it seems) to decide if south American Indians actually had a soul.

All colonies had it rough, no doubt, but America contributed so much gold, silver, crops such as corn, potato, tomato, chiles and what not...
"and all we got as some lousy death-roll inmates, deceases, some religion, mirrors and lousy tee shirts".

The USA is late in the game and its just catching up, same shit with this colon-oscopy thingie, just different times, at least now thanks to the internet we know....
.and the more you know

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The conditions of areas themselves also play a role in long term developments... for one example, tropical diseases certainly were a major limiting factor (vs. temperate north) for Latin America well into XX century.

(with Church it was also less clear then you make it out to be, for example ...and note I'm generally the first to point out the idiocies of Vatican - firmly standing behind silly mythologies not even being the worst; or: "around early 1500" wasn't really when the colonisation started, the times were much more comparable; those "amazing civilisations" were also decimating themselves quite successfully, Spaniards just took one side; or: the, yes, "piraty" British created quite a headache for Spanish shipping down the line; or: north was also largely French)

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